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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    So there we have it!
    Isn't it not just lobbyists but also political groups that write legislation?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Isn't it not just lobbyists but also political groups that write legislation?
    It doesn't matter who writes it. Anybody can go to Congress and hand them a bill and say "you should pass this." So what?

    What matters is who votes on it. That's Congress alone. It is their power and their responsibility.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    It doesn't matter who writes it. Anybody can go to Congress and hand them a bill and say "you should pass this." So what?

    What matters is who votes on it. That's Congress alone. It is their power and their responsibility.
    I know. I was just stating a fact. I didn't say whether it was good or bad.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Isn't it not just lobbyists but also political groups that write legislation?
    Yes. I agree they do.

    Yet Jack Abramoff and his like are what Vader was getting at. We can vote out constituents, but not lobbyists. These people are usually more talented, better paid, and have a silky tongue even Obama would envy.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I know. I was just stating a fact. I didn't say whether it was good or bad.
    Okay, I was just saying it to the whole forum.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    We can vote out constituents (you mean congressmen), but not lobbyists.
    Good thing only congressmen have power. Lobbyists have no vote.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Goldenboy219 View Post
    Yes. I agree they do.

    Yet Jack Abramoff and his like are what Vader was getting at. We can vote out constituents, but not lobbyists. These people are usually more talented, better paid, and have a silky tongue even Obama would envy.
    But in the end it shouldn't matter. If our politicians get swayed by lobbyists to vote against their constituents wishes, then they should be voted out.

    Maybe the solution would be shorter terms for senators.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But in the end it shouldn't matter. If our politicians get swayed by lobbyists to vote against their constituents wishes, then they should be voted out.
    Right. Blaming lobbyists just takes responsibility from those who choose to take their advice - and those of us who choose those congressmen.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    But in the end it shouldn't matter. If our politicians get swayed by lobbyists to vote against their constituents wishes, then they should be voted out.

    Maybe the solution would be shorter terms for senators.
    Maybe senators should be voted in via the approval of a state congress?
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Right. Blaming lobbyists just takes responsibility from those who choose to take their advice - and those of us who choose those congressmen.
    People only care about one thing when voting (not counting far right republicans and far left democrats): If they have more or less money than the last time they voted. The far right actually cares about abortion and the far left just wants to save some trees.

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    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
    "Wealth of Nations," Book V, Chapter II, Part II, Article I, pg.911

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