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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This should help:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    Don't be silly, they were only referring to citizens with the first amendment, not corporations. That's why individuals like you and me are protected by the freedom of press, but news organizations like the NYT aren't. Same reason why I'm allowed to exercise my religion, but my church can be prosecuted.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i fail to see how a corporation has a right to free speech.
    Why shouldn't they have a right to free speech? Why should a union have more rights than a corporation?
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    I think you lost sight of what you were even arguing. These are not things you have to tell me.
    Then why are you implying I'm against freedom because I don't like the ruling? I said it was fair which is why I support it... but that doesn't mean I have to like it. There is a difference between my own preferences and my preferences for the greater good. Take note.

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    And there's a LOT more to this ruling than just limits on corporate spending, for which I indeed AM jumping for joy.
    I can still see the dissenting judge's point of view even if I support the ruling. Corporations aren't democratic organizations and letting them toss their full girth around in the political arena creates risk for those organizations which are directly supported by the people. A corporation represents one individual legally speaking, yet they could have thousands of individuals working for them who aren't represented in corporate decisions to lobby particular campaigns. Yes, those individuals could themselves go and vote for whoever they want, but they don't have the financial power to compete with a big company that has tens of millions of dollars to contribute to the actual campaign.

    It can balance out because both the Republican and Democratic campaigns can still get huge contributions, but I still see the power of individuals being drowned out by these huge business powers.

    I support the ruling because free speech takes precedence over control of business, and that's pretty much the only reason.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why shouldn't they have a right to free speech? Why should a union have more rights than a corporation?
    A union is an entity made up of members elected to represent them. a corporation is not.

    however, i believe neither should be able to contribute to candidates or political parties. i think all campaigns should be financed by the taxpayers, on an equal basis.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    A union is an entity made up of members elected to represent them. a corporation is not.

    however, i believe neither should be able to contribute to candidates or political parties. i think all campaigns should be financed by the taxpayers, on an equal basis.
    So you believe that the tax payers should fund incumbents re-elections, and that people should not be allowed to support the candidate of their choice. Got it. Government = good, people = evil to you.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Then why are you implying I'm against freedom because I don't like the ruling? I said it was fair which is why I support it... but that doesn't mean I have to like it. There is a difference between my own preferences and my preferences for the greater good. Take note.
    Where did I say anything about your being "against freedom"? Is this why you think I'm looking through a "black-and-white lens"? Because it's the way you see things? Seems that way.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    A union is an entity made up of members elected to represent them. a corporation is not.
    The hell it isn't. Never mind that there are several dozen different types of corporations, including the ones which consist of me and only me, or me and 1-2 partners.


    however, i believe neither should be able to contribute to candidates or political parties. i think all campaigns should be financed by the taxpayers, on an equal basis.
    Does not matter to what you said -- that you fail to see how corporations have freedom of speech.

    Again, I refer you to the First Amendment.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why shouldn't they have a right to free speech? Why should a union have more rights than a corporation?
    it should not ... neither should be entitled to free speech, unless they possess the actual physical ability to speak

    but when was the last time you have seen either a corporation or union actually speak

    by its decision, the sc has given over citizens' rights to what could be multi-national organizations - and potentially corporate arms of foreign governments

    should we really trust the multi-national corporations and foreign, state-owned entities to not inordinately influence our politics, which is their right as has now been proscribed by the highest court

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    A union is an entity made up of members elected to represent them. a corporation is not.
    Who makes up a corporation?

    however, i believe neither should be able to contribute to candidates or political parties. i think all campaigns should be financed by the taxpayers, on an equal basis.
    And, that would be fair. I could go along with that.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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