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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    Ha.
    ? You disagree with that analysis? Good grief

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    I love it when Liberals fight each other...........
    What makes you think he is liberal?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I am all for fairness. You are not. You cannot allow such lopsided power to influence politicians and elections and expect that at the end of the day they will represent the Individuals not corporations that got them there. As one of my heroins, Molly Ivins, was fond of saying; "you gotta dance with the one that brought you!"
    Do you feel that, in the face of advertising campaigns and media bombardment, people are incapable of making a sound decision on who to vote for?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    Do you feel that, in the face of advertising campaigns and media bombardment, people are incapable of making a sound decision on who to vote for?
    Do you believe that advertising works?

    Citizens have challenged corporate power in the past and I think they will do so again. Prior to the 17th amendment, corporations were basically buying senators

    I think there may be a popular movement to urge for a constitutional amendment to clarify the status of corporate personhood.

    There is also a strong logical argument for legislation that says that if a corp. does business with federal government it cannot spend money to influence elections. So that would include industries w defense contractors, big Pharma, the insurance industry, and many others who have contracts or subsidies.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    I am not the only one. You better take that up with Newt Gingrich who has opined that this is a great victory for non-incumbents -the individuals who can muster support from those that have money- corporations. Of course, they always toss in unions as though unions had parity with corporations in the ability to spend $$$ to influence elections.


    Well that is a revealing comment. I guess you are the one happy to have some voices stifled.
    Is English not your first language? You said only corporate money can get people on the ballot, which is bull**** because most people can afford the filing fees. Even dip****s like Ralph Nader, and more power to him if he wants to be on a ballot and raise as much money from as many idiots as he can. He can make all the speeches he wants and buy all the commercials he can afford. But not with my money and I hope with nobody else's.

    Now, before you choose to post again, please learn to ****ing read the English language. Thanks.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You were rolling with A and B, but then you had to throw in C. It doesn't help, does it?
    It only makes sense that she gets all wet over Nader and Ivins. Probably she has a thing for LaRouche, too.

    It's a shame.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Do you believe that advertising works?

    Citizens have challenged corporate power in the past and I think they will do so again. Prior to the 17th amendment, corporations were basically buying senators.
    I believe that advertising sometimes has the opposite effect. And furthermore, without the force of government, corporate power is nothing. Corporations would not even exist without manipulation of the market through exhaustive policies and regulations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    I think there may be a popular movement to urge for a constitutional amendment to clarify the status of corporate personhood..
    that's a can o' worms that also happens to be a degredation of freedom of the press. Most, I think, would oppose ceding such power to Washington.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    There is also a strong logical argument for legislation that says that if a corp. does business with federal government it cannot spend money to influence elections. So that would include industries w defense contractors, big Pharma, the insurance industry, and many others who have contracts or subsidies.
    Why not just cut to the chase and remove the incentive for such entities to bother rent-seeking in the first place? Why not simply push for a limitation to the power of the government to manipulate markets? As long as legislators have this ability, entities will seek to buy off legislators to affect policy either in their favor or to stifle competitors. Any law restricting corporations is going to be riddled with loopholes... why would you trust the very people who are so easily bought off by corporations to effect any serious limitation in the process? They will only pass law that serves to pick and choose among various outlets of information--those that suit their own re-elections.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    ? You disagree with that analysis? Good grief
    It was hardly an analysis, but yes, I disagree. Union money is probably behind corporate money, but not by much.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    I believe that advertising sometimes has the opposite effect.
    Any data on that?

    that's a can o' worms that also happens to be a degredation of freedom of the press. Most, I think, would oppose ceding such power to Washington.
    Sorry, I fail to see how defining the rights delineated in the constitution as meant for people not corporations cedes power to Washington. I would say that it helps to cede power to citizens.

    Why not just cut to the chase and remove the incentive for such entities to bother rent-seeking in the first place? Why not simply push for a limitation to the power of the government to manipulate markets? As long as legislators have this ability, entities will seek to buy off legislators to affect policy either in their favor or to stifle competitors. Any law restricting corporations is going to be riddled with loopholes... why would you trust the very people who are so easily bought off by corporations to effect any serious limitation in the process? They will only pass law that serves to pick and choose among various outlets of information--those that suit their own re-elections.
    Hmm, I think that many of our elected officials are extremely unhappy with a situation that forces them to spend two days out of every work week raising money rather than doing the people's business. Judging from the Abramoff scandal there are certainly people whose minds are twisted by the flow of money. NOt all, though.

    But in general, meaningful changes have to come from the bottom up. There is every reason why libertarians and progressives should make common cause to work toward financial/electoral changes that would break the back of the two party system.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    Do you believe that advertising works?
    So you believe the voters are not qualified to make an informed decision without the government deciding what political ads they can view.

    Wow. Think about that.

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