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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    1. Politics and business CANNOT EVER mix.
    So, a businessperson should have no right to petition their government for redress?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    So, a businessperson should have no right to petition their government for redress?
    More than that, if business and politics "cannot EVER mix," then there can be no regulation of business.

    But I'm sure he didn't mean that.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Well, yeah, which is why I'm calling it out. I mean, what would you call this syllogism: corporations have lots of money, therefore they will run politics into the ground . . . ?

    Seriously, this like Obi-Wan declaring "only the Sith think in absolutes!"
    We don't live in a free market society, and with good reason. I suggest you think about that.

    Nothing is black and white. Not all corporations do bad things; not all corporations do good things. As I said, the ruling was fair.

    Whenever rulings or legislation is passed that favors the corporate upper crust, it has wide spread implications. It's a simple fact that corporations behave like individual persons with a huge amount of money and resources. They have sway over the democratic process, which is not always a bad thing, but regulations don't exist because of those who behave.

    This particular ruling doesn't mean much in the grand scheme, other than giving the nod to lobbyists to keep doing what they're doing.

    Money does buy politics and that is simply a modern reality, which is why I am not jumping for joy about this.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And death to US democracy. So when is the new Senator for Bank of America going to take his seat?
    As soon as the President for Goldman Sachs and Citigroup says it's okay...

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
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    Good news for free speech advocates, bad news for liberals (and McCain).

    Let's hope this ridiculous law continues to be gutted.
    i fail to see how a corporation has a right to free speech.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    We don't live in a free market society, and with good reason. I suggest you think about that.

    Nothing is black and white. Not all corporations do bad things; not all corporations do good things. As I said, the ruling was fair.

    Whenever rulings or legislation is passed that favors the corporate upper crust, it has wide spread implications. It's a simple fact that corporations behave like individual persons with a huge amount of money and resources. They have sway over the democratic process, which is not always a bad thing, but regulations don't exist because of those who behave.

    This particular ruling doesn't mean much in the grand scheme, other than giving the nod to lobbyists to keep doing what they're doing.

    Money does buy politics and that is simply a modern reality, which is why I am not jumping for joy about this.
    I think you lost sight of what you were even arguing. These are not things you have to tell me.

    And there's a LOT more to this ruling than just limits on corporate spending, for which I indeed AM jumping for joy.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i fail to see how a corporation has a right to free speech.
    This should help:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    We don't live in a free market society, and with good reason. I suggest you think about that.
    What's a "free market society"? Why is it good we don't live in one?

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i fail to see how a corporation has a right to free speech.
    As much as the people at dailykos would like to pretend that that was the issue in question in this case, it wasn't. It is, however, a useful tool for distracting people from the fact that the claims of "an end to democracy" are horribly overblown.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    As much as the people at dailykos would like to pretend that that was the issue in question in this case, it wasn't. It is, however, a useful tool for distracting people from the fact that the claims of "an end to democracy" are horribly overblown.
    As I recall, we had democracy before 2002.
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