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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I did not say that. You are using an implication to say that I was implying something else totally different than what I said. You think you are a mind reader. You are a legend in your own mind. You are saying that. Poly wanna cracker.
    Okay. Let's try this again. Which Rights are not absolute? Be specific.

    Also, you didn't answer my question: Why do you think the Rights in the DoI are different from the Rights in the BoR?

    Whenever you want to support your position, feel free to back up the numerous claims you've made.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Okay. Let's try this again. Which Rights are not absolute? Be specific.
    All of them are non-absolute. Legal absolutes are virtually impracticable. Something always goes wrong. Like:

    1. Random stranger comes into your house, steps on top of your living room table, and begins a monologue on the importance of saving white tigers, then vigorously protests when the police come to drag him off on the grounds he is being physically prevented from performing his free speech right. If the free speech right were absolute, then the property right would have to give and be the temporal right that gets trumped.

    Or:

    2. Guy cites privacy right when police have compelling evidence items incriminating him in a murder are hidden in his house. Search warrants would not exist if the privacy right was being practiced as an absolute.

    And so on. Material necessity compels us to interpret and practice our constitutional rights as non-absolutes. This has had the unfortunate side effect of diluting their potency, but there's not much we can do if we want to have both property rights and free speech rights, for example.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    I don't think we should confuse the inalienability of rights with exercise of rights. One innately and inalienably has the rights to life, liberty, and property. It doesn't mean that the exercise of those rights cannot in some way be infringed upon. Force can be applied to infringe upon the free exercise of our rights. It can come through some just means such as due process of law, or unjust means. But you can't take the rights away, a personal always has right to life, liberty, and property; that's innate. You can stop someone from practicing it, but you can't actually take the right away.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post


    I would say it's because a large majority of the population falls near the middle of a bell curve of ideology.
    You think corporate interests = the interests of most voters?? That's a pretty startling statement when there is so much evidence to the contrary.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    You think corporate interests = the interests of most voters?? That's a pretty startling statement when there is so much evidence to the contrary.
    How many votes does a corporation get in an election?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    How many votes does a corporation get in an election?
    As many is it can afford to pay for?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That is just your fascist opinion. In the real world, individuals have a right to speak on behalf of whatever group, idea, movement, or interest they please. The fact that it displeases you is of little consequence.
    Actually, it's not fascist at all. Corporations are not people. People have rights in this country; big business does not.

    I know your righties don't like anything that limits big busineses corrupting influence... but that is, as you so nicely put it, of little consequence.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    As many is it can afford to pay for?
    Really? Who is selling?

    Seriously, buying votes is illegal. If a voter freely chooses to vote for someone based on the ads he or she saw on TV, that's democracy. You have no right to tell voters they are too dumb to hear certain speech just because you don't like it or think it's too much. Pretty simple concept.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Actually, it's not fascist at all. Corporations are not people. People have rights in this country; big business does not.
    Wrong, as has been amply demonstrated.

    And irrelevant. The first amendment simply says there shall be no abridgement of speech. Nothing about the source of the speech.

    I know your righties don't like anything that limits big busineses corrupting influence... but that is, as you so nicely put it, of little consequence.
    I'm a lefty. I like Supreme Court decisions that make sense. If it makes you feel better, this decision will apply to unions too.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Wrong, as has been amply demonstrated.

    And irrelevant. The first amendment simply says there shall be no abridgement of speech. Nothing about the source of the speech.
    The constitution was intended to protect people... not big business.

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I'm a lefty. I like Supreme Court decisions that make sense. If it makes you feel better, this decision will apply to unions too.
    I suppose it will at that. I just do not like business having the ability to buy off politicians. It just bothers me. Business and government should never be bedfellows. The result of this is ugly, corrupt, unscrupulous children who seek profit and nothing more.

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