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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    It's a fair ruling, but it still doesn't bode well for the balance of power in politics.
    At least it helps to offset the power and election influences of unions, ACORN, etc.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    It's not so much about left or right so much as it is about having a consistent philosophy beyond "SOMEONE DID SOMETHING THAT OUTRAGES ME THEY SHOULD GO TO JAIL AND BE KILLED."
    Yeah, there's a lot of things you can label him as. "Left" or "Right" isn't one of them. Vader's political lean is "Vader". If there's anything I'll give him is that he's consistant, he's just consistant in an extremely crazily chaotic way.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    How do you figure? Big corporations are already able to spend as much money as they want doing whatever they want. The only difference is that now there aren't as many hoops to jump through in terms of organization.
    Again, I don't support the existence of those barriers out of matters of fairness, but those barriers did delay or prevent some corporations from donating. We all know that corporations have the most money, hands down. Now their ability to influence politics will be just that more effortless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod
    At least it helps to offset the power and election influences of unions, ACORN, etc.
    Those are organizations of the people. ACORN is non-profit so it subsists on subsidies and donations from private individuals; therefore their existence is more democratic. If people felt they served no purpose, they'd get no money.

    Corporations exist to rake in profits and their influence on government does not help to balance democracy. They are the business sector gone wild and they don't give a toss about individuals.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Again, I don't support the existence of those barriers out of matters of fairness, but those barriers did delay or prevent some corporations from donating. We all know that corporations have the most money, hands down. Now their ability to influence politics will be just that more effortless.



    Those are organizations of the people. ACORN is non-profit so it subsists on subsidies and donations from private individuals; therefore their existence is more democratic. If people felt they served no purpose, they'd get no money.

    Corporations exist to rake in profits and their influence on government does not help to balance democracy. They are the business sector gone wild and they don't give a toss about individuals.
    Ah.

    Corporations = evil; must have free speech suppressed.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Ah.

    Corporations = evil; must have free speech suppressed.
    Oh yes... because I think there should be economic regulation, I am against freedom.

    Don't you ever get tired of using the same black and white crap?

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Oh yes... because I think there should be economic regulation, I am against freedom.

    Don't you ever get tired of using the same black and white crap?
    Ever think you might advocate too much economic regulation?
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ever think you might advocate too much economic regulation?
    I already said that the ruling was fair.

    Just because it's fair, does not mean I have to like it.

    Welcome to the world of what it means to be a moderate.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Again, I don't support the existence of those barriers out of matters of fairness, but those barriers did delay or prevent some corporations from donating. We all know that corporations have the most money, hands down. Now their ability to influence politics will be just that more effortless.
    I'm looking for specific examples of how corporations will be able to spend money that they couldn't have spent before. Every electoral goal that companies will be able to pursue now could have been pursued in a slightly different method under the old laws.

    Does anyone actually believe that the campaign finance laws were what kept companies from pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into elections?
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    I'm looking for specific examples of how corporations will be able to spend money that they couldn't have spent before. Every electoral goal that companies will be able to pursue now could have been pursued in a slightly different method under the old laws.

    Does anyone actually believe that the campaign finance laws were what kept companies from pouring hundreds of millions of dollars into elections?
    I suppose now the directness of the method will make it more transparent.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    Oh yes... because I think there should be economic regulation, I am against freedom.

    Don't you ever get tired of using the same black and white crap?
    Well, yeah, which is why I'm calling it out. I mean, what would you call this syllogism: corporations have lots of money, therefore they will run politics into the ground . . . ?

    Seriously, this is like Obi-Wan declaring "only the Sith think in absolutes!"
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