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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    How is he an activist if his interpretation is closer to the original intent?

    It blows me away that you hold this position when the damaging results of corporate money in the political process have been so transparent- and transparently evident in issues you seem to care about.
    And it blows me away that you continue to miss the fact that a decision the other way would have done nothing to address that.

    If you've got a problem with corporate donations, why don't you express that to the groups who are making the donations and to the people who are accepting them? Could it be because the vast majority of them are going to Democrats, and you're not opposed to that?

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058508983

    Top All-Time Donors, 1989-2010

    1 AT&T Inc $44,027,485
    2 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $41,751,311
    3 National Assn of Realtors $35,438,725
    4 Goldman Sachs $31,413,462
    5 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $31,359,957
    6 American Assn for Justice $31,319,029
    7 National Education Assn $30,068,167
    8 Laborers Union $28,814,400
    9 Service Employees International Union $27,911,232
    10 Carpenters & Joiners Union $27,769,683
    11 Teamsters Union $27,684,624
    12 Communications Workers of America $26,992,076
    13 Citigroup Inc $26,983,588
    14 American Federation of Teachers $26,282,491
    15 American Medical Assn $26,280,223
    16 United Auto Workers $25,767,002
    17 Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $25,105,777
    18 National Auto Dealers Assn $24,253,708
    19 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $24,088,333
    20 United Parcel Service $24,064,929
    The top 20 donors in all of politics over the past 20 years are:

    1 - Corporation
    2 - Union
    3 - Association of workers in an industry
    4 - Corporation
    5 - Union
    6 - Association of workers in an industry
    7 - Union
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    10 - Union
    11 - Union
    12 - Union
    13 - Corporation
    14 - Union
    15 - Association of workers in an industry
    16 - Union
    17 - Union
    18 - Association of workers in an industry
    19 - Union
    20 - Corporation

    If you look at the distribution of money, only 5 of those 20 give more to Republicans than Democrats, with the largest split being 67-31. In contrast, 15 give more to Democrats than Republicans, with 14 of them giving more than 90% of their donations to Democrats. 7 of the unions give less than 2% of their donations to Republicans.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Personally, I don't believe there really is such as thing as judicial activism. I think judges are people and they are influenced by their own experiences, and sometimes can be biased and wrong, just like any other human being. I don't think judges say "I am a judicial activist" especially since the exact same judge may agree with "judicial activism" in one case and be the exact opposite in another.

    But, using the standard definition of it as a decision that freely overturns precedent and overturns legislation to make its own laws, this certainly applies. Even the opinion itself admits it overturns precedents.

    See, here's the key: Almost every single opinion the Supreme Court issues does this. That's their job -- they overturn laws all the time when they believe they runs counter to the Constitution.

    That's why I find the whole "judicial activism" meme silly.
    Judge scalia met with pat robertson in a closed to the public and press at the christian coalation here in virginia , beach , virginia.

    I have had experiences with crooked judges in portsmouth virginia where the lawyer for my opponent was a college friend of the judge and they were both freemasons. go figure.

    I lost the case and the judge admonished me and said I needed to post a 10,000cash bail in order to appeal. It was conflict of interest. The whole court gasped out loud at his decision.

    Don't worry, there are plenty of crooked judges.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Judge scalia met with pat robertson in a closed to the public and press at the christian coalation here in virginia , beach , virginia.
    Woah, woah, woah - you mean that one of the people on the Supreme Court met with someone who didn't have a case before him and the media wasn't invited? Alert the presses!

    I have had experiences with crooked judges in portsmouth virginia where the lawyer for my opponent was a college friend of the judge and they were both freemasons. go figure.

    I lost the case and the judge admonished me and said I needed to post a 10,000cash bail in order to appeal. It was conflict of interest. The whole court gasped out loud at his decision.
    The fact that they knew each other doesn't make it a conflict of interest requiring recusal. Furthermore, without knowing more details, I can say that it's not uncommon to require the posting of some sort of security before an appeal.

    Don't worry, there are plenty of crooked judges
    Which has nothing to do with this situation, which involves a whole bunch of partisans who don't know a goddamn thing about the law getting outraged because they think the court did something that goes against their preferred policy outcome.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    I wrote senator chuck robb about it when he was in office. This happened a few years back. The story was reported in the virgina pilot newspaper. It caused no outrage.

    Another thing. I know a charles martel racist who call robertson, "Pat" when we are discussing him. It's surreal. The racist never claimed he knew pat robertson but I got the impression that he did.

    btw, senator robb said that although he agree with my contention that a supreme court justice should not be associating with political figures at closed to the public meetings, that he thought it was a matter of free speech and he could not do anyhing about it. Shortly thereafter robb lost his seat in the us senate.

    So much for seperation of church and state.

    This is a true story and I can verify it.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Not without infringing upon the individual's right to freely practice and express their religion and of association.
    That's the argument we're making. Just substitute religion with free speech.

    If we can't crack down on religious associations, then there's no way we can crack down on business associations. Honestly, that's the only difference here.

    And where is the Enumerated authority of the Federal government to restrict the exercise of free speech, at all?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    My opponent was a freemason also. The case was a minor civil case. When I first went to court there was a black judge who was sympathetic to me but the mason judge, who was the chief judge delayed the trial and replaced the original judge with himself.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That's the argument we're making. Just substitute religion with free speech.

    If we can't crack down on religious associations, then there's no way we can crack down on business associations. Honestly, that's the only difference here.

    And where is the Enumerated authority of the Federal government to restrict the exercise of free speech, at all?
    No right is absolute. For example the supremes ruled that religious fanatics could not get in your face when you were on the street and bother people because the fanatics were trying to foist their opinions on others.

    Also terrorists use free speech as part of their strategy on their pogrom upon our country.

    Every right comes with the responsibility to not abuse that right to abuse the rights of others. Fire in a crowded theater.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Think about why the Court would be relying on the 14th Amendment in order to invalidate a state law that restricted speech.
    Man! He almost had you with that Fourteenth Amendment reference. Totally unexpected...

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    The republican policy of pro states rights was shattered when they ruled against the state of florida for ruling in gore's favor.

    Doesn't pass the smell test.

    Save the delta smelt.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    No right is absolute.
    Yes they are. That's why they're inalienable.

    For example the supremes ruled that religious fanatics could not get in your face when you were on the street and bother people because the fanatics were trying to foist their opinions on others.
    Could you cite the specific case along with some relevant excerpts?

    Also terrorists use free speech as part of their strategy on their pogrom upon our country.
    What?

    Every right comes with the responsibility to not abuse that right to abuse the rights of others. Fire in a crowded theater.
    You think yelling fire in a crowded theater is a right?

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