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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Is it really that difficult for you to explain when you disagree with someone? Does it make you feel important to have some one ask... Then what do YOU think it means.
    Sorry. It's frustrating sometimes.

    Judicial activism is when a judge goes beyond the literal words of the law or Constitution and move toward making his or her own law based on his own ideas about what is right or wrong, as if he were a legislator rather than a judge.

    The opposite of that is called judicial conservatism. It means sticking to the more narrow interpretation of the law or the Constitution.

    This decision was pretty judicially conservative.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Churches have no rights. It's a building.
    I meant churches as in religions, like the Roman Catholic Church.

    Religions only have the rights granted to them by the government.
    That's a whole new can of worms. Now you have to read the Declaration of Independence and the 9th Amendment.

    With one exception, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" Other than that the government could, if it wanted, tax churches, regulate where they can be built and even if one can be built. As an example.
    Religions are groups. Just FYI.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So yet again, without any evidence other than your own feelings and misinterpretations, you argue that the government could ban the construction of any churches or the formation of any sort of formally organized religious group?
    So yet again you build a strawman. Please quote where I said that "...the government could ban... the formation of any sort of formally organized religious group".

    But yes, your local zoning commission could reject the request for a building permit.

    But please make yourself look foolish again.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    I meant churches as in religions, like the Roman Catholic Church.
    Then you should say religion.

    That's a whole new can of worms. Now you have to read the Declaration of Independence and the 9th Amendment.
    I've read and know them both quite well. Now explain your application.

    Religions are groups. Just FYI.
    There you go again with your confusion on the difference between the tangible and the intangible. Religion is an idea. People might gather to practice their idea in a church for instance. They would then be a group of people practicing their religion in their church. All of those highlighted things are different from each other and are in no way the same.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    So yet again you build a strawman. Please quote where I said that "...the government could ban... the formation of any sort of formally organized religious group".
    But couldn't they under your argument? If not, why not? What protects them, as a group?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Then you should say religion.
    Christianity is a religion; the Roman Catholic Church is a church. Religions aren't really organizations with finances and governing bodies, but churches are. That's why I said church. But now we understand each other.

    I've read and know them both quite well. Now explain your application.
    Really? You just said churches have no rights except what the government gives them. The 9th Amendment clearly says this is not necessarily true.

    There you go again with your confusion on the difference between the tangible and the intangible. Religion is an idea. People might gather to practice their idea in a church for instance. They would then be a group of people practicing their religion in their church. All of those highlighted things are different from each other and are in no way the same.
    I thought you got it, but apparently not. Or else you're playing games.

    A church can refer to a building, OR AN ORGANIZED GROUP. Much like a corporation.

    The idea that an organized religious group (church) has no freedom of religion is going to get you nowhere. Don't even start that.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    But couldn't they under your argument? If not, why not? What protects them, as a group?
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

    Are you just trying to be funny?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;"

    Are you just trying to be funny?
    I think I see the problem - this also stems from the confusion over the word "church". Never mind.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Christianity is a religion; the Roman Catholic Church is a church. Religions aren't really organizations with finances and governing bodies, but churches are. That's why I said church. But now we understand each other.



    Really? You just said churches have no rights except what the government gives them. The 9th Amendment clearly says this is not necessarily true.



    I thought you got it, but apparently not. Or else you're playing games.

    A church can refer to a building, OR AN ORGANIZED GROUP. Much like a corporation.

    The idea that an organized religious group (church) has no freedom of religion is going to get you nowhere. Don't even start that.
    I'm glad you cleared up all of your semantic mess.

    Now please explain how the 9th amendment applies to the argument.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Sorry. It's frustrating sometimes.

    Judicial activism is when a judge goes beyond the literal words of the law or Constitution and move toward making his or her own law based on his own ideas about what is right or wrong, as if he were a legislator rather than a judge.

    The opposite of that is called judicial conservatism. It means sticking to the more narrow interpretation of the law or the Constitution.

    This decision was pretty judicially conservative.


    So, basically, because you agree with the interpretation, it's not activism? You realize that many others think that the "more narrow" interpretation is the exact opposite, right? Including 4 other Supreme Court judges?

    It's generally accepted that when a court does not follow precedent and makes new law, it's not "judicial conservativism" even if the result is a conservative result.

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