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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    That is just your fascist opinion. In the real world, individuals have a right to speak on behalf of whatever group, idea, movement, or interest they please. The fact that it displeases you is of little consequence.
    You're right in that they certainly can. That doesn't however entitle them to any additional right. They have the right to free speech, when they join up with a "group" they still have that right. You're claim would be that the "group" itself, not simply the individuals in the "group", now has the right to free speech.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And I say again, it is irrelevant to freedom of speech, as restrictions on it are illegal regardless of who is speaking. And anyway, the First Amendment recognizes rights that it would be awful hard not to apply to groups, such as churches or newspapers.

    But however you want to think about it is fine with me. I accept your statement.
    According to your interpretation of the Constitution, everyone and everything in the universe is protected by it. Some of us disagree.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    You're right in that they certainly can. That doesn't however entitle them to any additional right. They have the right to free speech, when they join up with a "group" they still have that right. You're claim would be that the "group" itself, not simply the individuals in the "group", now has the right to free speech.
    So what's the difference? How is this an "additional right?" What additional right would that be - extra double freedom of speech?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    According to your interpretation of the Constitution, everyone and everything in the universe is protected by it. Some of us disagree.
    And you are welcome to back up your disagreement with an argument.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Ah, I thought you had not idea what judicial activism is.

    No, that's not it at all.
    Is it really that difficult for you to explain when you disagree with someone? Does it make you feel important to have some one ask... Then what do YOU think it means.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Really? Now churches don't have rights either? So the government could shut down a church and seize its property?
    Churches have no rights. It's a building. Religions only have the rights granted to them by the government. With one exception, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" Other than that the government could, if it wanted, tax churches, regulate where they can be built and even if one can be built. As an example.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    No it isn't. The people can associate and practice their religion all they want. A church isn't an individual, it's a group - almost exactly like a corporation.
    No it's not nor are they. Once a "group" incorporates it becomes a corporation. Why incorporate at all? As a liability shield.

    A church is a building and has no rights. A religion is a different story.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    The author is not a leader or spokesman for the ACLU. Nor does this article contain any discussion of ACLU positions as far as I can tell.

    The fact that you would think this is the least bit relevant proves my suspicions about your ability to separate relevant fact from worthless, pointless, or inaccurate information.

    If you want to know what they ACLU really thinks and does, it's very easy to find out at American Civil Liberties Union.

    I brought up the Menkin article because you were quick to blurt that you were a member of the ACLU as if that is supposed to stifle someone. So is this guy, do you agree with what he says?


    And if I want to know what the ACLU thinks on any given issue all I need do is watch their actions, I wouldn't believe a word they say about themselves....


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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Churches have no rights. It's a building. Religions only have the rights granted to them by the government. With one exception, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof" Other than that the government could, if it wanted, tax churches, regulate where they can be built and even if one can be built. As an example.
    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    No it's not nor are they. Once a "group" incorporates it becomes a corporation. Why incorporate at all? As a liability shield.

    A church is a building and has no rights. A religion is a different story.
    So yet again, without any evidence other than your own feelings and misinterpretations, you argue that the government could ban the construction of any churches or the formation of any sort of formally organized religious group?
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So yet again, without any evidence other than your own feelings and misinterpretations, you argue that the government could ban the construction of any churches or the formation of any sort of formally organized religious group?
    I think both of those fall under individual religion, association, and property rights.
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