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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Corporations are granted special privileges and immunities by corporate law.
    If corporations cannot have rights, then how can "they" be given special privileges and immunities? And what are these privileges and immunities you're referring to?

    Please provide specific answers to both of my questions.

    For example. If you are a corporation and you break a law...
    Again, the language you're using is totally contradictory. You previously asserted that corporations are incapable of possessing rights because they are nothing more than legal entities, yet you assume "they" are somehow capable of breaking the law.

    How can a legal entity with no rights break the law or be given privileges?

    ...you as a person running the corporation can not be tried for certain crimes. The corporations are tried, not individual people, even though they are the actual ones who caused the crime. Why should they get special privileges?
    Do you have any specific examples of this happening? What happened to the executives at Enron and WorldCom?

    If a small business owner owns a company he can usually get sued for his own personal wealth. This is against the basic american principle of equality.
    A lot of small business owners are corporations, too.

    Also, the stockholders, who are people, are not permitted to exercise their free speech when it comes to running the country. So, in this case free speech for an entity [corporation], trumps the people [stock holders.
    This is absolutely false. The stockholders have many ways of influencing a corporation's operations, the most obvious of which is withdrawing their investment.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    It's judicial activism. It's as if the court had made a new law concerning the right of free speech. I think it is up to congress to decide what "is" free speech.

    Corporations are granted special privileges and immunities by corporate law.

    For example. If you are a corporation and you break a law, you as a person running the corporation can not be tried for certain crimes. The corporations are tried, not individual people, even though they are the actual ones who caused the crime. Why should they get special privileges?

    If a small business owner owns a company he can usually get sued for his own personal wealth. This is against the basic american principle of equality.

    Also, the stockholders, who are people, are not permitted to exercise their free speech when it comes to running the corporation. So, in this case free speech for an entity [corporation], trumps the free speech of people [stock holders.
    Yes, it is judicial activism, and there is no denying this fact. Alito, Roberts, and the rightests in the SCOTUS are nothing but severants of the right wing conspiracy to allow business to lie, cheat, steal, rape, and buy politicians without consequences.

    The left is just as bad there is no denying that either. It's time to return the government to the people and kick business the **** out of Washington.

    It's time for big business to be removed from any contact with government.

    It's time for lobbyists to be banned from politics. It's time to cut the balls of these big business cocksuckers once and for all. The same applies for the unions.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Right, only at election time. Some time this does not give them the right before the elections.
    What more rights do stockholders need? They elect directors, and if they don't like how the comapny is going, they can sell their stock or call for an election.

    Have you ever owned stock?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I feel like we are going in circles on this one.
    You noted that newspapers are often incorporated, yet have rights, and that churches, which are groups, have rights. I don't see how that supports your idea that corporations don't rights.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And I say again, it is irrelevant to freedom of speech, as restrictions on it are illegal regardless of who is speaking. And anyway, the First Amendment recognizes rights that it would be awful hard not to apply to groups, such as churches or newspapers.

    But however you want to think about it is fine with me. I accept your statement.
    I agree with you on the issue of free speech. I just thought you were arguing a specific point from a faulty premise. Forgive my nitpicking...
    Last edited by Ethereal; 01-26-10 at 11:56 PM.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Yes, it is judicial activism, and there is no denying this fact.
    I deny it.

    Define judicial activism please, so we are all on the same page.

    The left is just as bad there is no denying that either. It's time to return the government to the people and kick business the **** out of Washington.
    Fine. The people still have the only votes and control all elections, shouldn't be hard.

    It's time for big business to be removed from any contact with government.


    It's time for lobbyists to be banned from politics.
    Lobbying is also protected by the First Amendment. And you have a lobbyist representing you too, for something. I gaurantee it.

    It's time to cut the balls of these big business cocksuckers once and for all. The same applies for the unions.
    It's time for you to take your meds.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    I'm agree with you on the issue of free speech. I just thought you were arguing a specific point from a faulty premise. Forgive my nitpicking...
    No problem.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You noted that newspapers are often incorporated, yet have rights, and that churches, which are groups, have rights. I don't see how that supports your idea that corporations don't rights.
    Churches don't have rights. The individual has right to free practice and expression of religion as well as association. The Press is specifically covered in the 1st amendment and is again a guarantee for the People. Corporations themselves do not have rights, the individuals in a company certainly do; but not the corporation itself.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    If corporations cannot have rights, then how can "they" be given special privileges and immunities? And what are these privileges and immunities you're referring to?

    Please provide specific answers to both of my questions.



    Again, the language you're using is totally contradictory. You previously asserted that corporations are incapable of possessing rights because they are nothing more than legal entities, yet you assume "they" are somehow capable of breaking the law.

    How can a legal entity with no rights break the law or be given privileges?



    Do you have any specific examples of this happening? What happened to the executives at Enron and WorldCom?



    A lot of small business owners are corporations, too.



    This is absolutely false. The stockholders have many ways of influencing a corporation's operations, the most obvious of which is withdrawing their investment.
    Approach the bench your honor. Call for a short recess. I can not answer your prolix questions like three minute oatmeal.

    I will answer but actually it is up to you to prove my assertion wrong. The burden of proff is on you not me. But I will answer.

    I need a cigarette and some rice crispies right now.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Yes, it is judicial activism, and there is no denying this fact. Alito, Roberts, and the rightests in the SCOTUS are nothing but severants of the right wing conspiracy to allow business to lie, cheat, steal, rape, and buy politicians without consequences.

    The left is just as bad there is no denying that either. It's time to return the government to the people and kick business the **** out of Washington.

    It's time for big business to be removed from any contact with government.

    It's time for lobbyists to be banned from politics. It's time to cut the balls of these big business cocksuckers once and for all. The same applies for the unions.
    Seriously, would you shut up? You're offering nothing in the way of substantive or intelligent analysis. You just keep regurgitating the same inane talking points over and over again. So, unless you actually want to demonstrate (not claim) that this decision will result in corporations "buying" politicians, please cease with your infantile blather.

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