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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    I would have said ""Activist right wing court corrodes seperation of powers"
    How does this affect separation of powers?

    The power of courts to overturn laws as unconstitutional was established 200 years ago and used many times since then, often for the most noble liberal reasons such as civil rights.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    Yes. So the claim that groups can't have rights is silly.
    Groups do not have rights as groups do not actually exist, instead, they are abstractions. Several individuals standing in the same location do not somehow constitute an entity which retains rights. However, the individuals in the "group" do retain rights, which means their being in a group should not preclude them from exercising their rights in unison with one another, as Vader has suggested.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    How does this affect separation of powers?

    The power of courts to overturn laws as unconstitutional was established 200 years ago and used many times since then, often for the most noble liberal reasons such as civil rights.
    It's judicial activism. It's as if the court had made a new law concerning the right of free speech. I think it is up to congress to decide what "is" free speech.

    Corporations are granted special privileges and immunities by corporate law.

    For example. If you are a corporation and you break a law, you as a person running the corporation can not be tried for certain crimes. The corporations are tried, not individual people, even though they are the actual ones who caused the crime. Why should they get special privileges?

    If a small business owner owns a company he can usually get sued for his own personal wealth. This is against the basic american principle of equality.

    Also, the stockholders, who are people, are not permitted to exercise their free speech when it comes to running the corporation. So, in this case free speech for an entity [corporation], trumps the free speech of people [stock holders.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Groups do not have rights as groups do not actually exist, instead, they are abstractions. Several individuals standing in the same location do not somehow constitute an entity which retains rights. However, the individuals in the "group" do retain rights, which means their being in a group should not preclude them from exercising their rights in unison with one another, as Vader has suggested.
    And I say again, it is irrelevant to freedom of speech, as restrictions on it are illegal regardless of who is speaking. And anyway, the First Amendment recognizes rights that it would be awful hard not to apply to groups, such as churches or newspapers.

    But however you want to think about it is fine with me. I accept your statement.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    It's judicial activism. It's as if the court had made a new law concerning the right of free speech. I think it is up to congress to decide what "is" free speech.
    No, actually it is the court's job to interpret law and the Constitution.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Corporations are granted special privileges and immunities by corporate law.

    For example. If you are a corporation and you break a law, you as a person running the corporation can not be tried for certain crimes. The corporations are tried, not individual people, even though they are the actual ones who caused the crime. Why should they get special privileges?

    If a small business owner owns a company he can usually get sued for his own personal wealth. This is against the basic american principle of equality.
    If the small business owner is a sole proprietorship, that is true. But any small business owner with two brain cells to rub together incorporates his business and keeps separate books for the exact reason that it protects their personal property from being forfeited in any action against the business.

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Also, the stockholders, who are people, are not permitted to exercise their free speech when it comes to running the corporation. So, in this case free speech for an entity [corporation], trumps the free speech of people [stock holders.
    They exercise their speech every year at election time.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    And I say again, it is irrelevant to freedom of speech, as restrictions on it are illegal regardless of who is speaking. And anyway, the First Amendment recognizes rights that it would be awful hard not to apply to groups, such as churches or newspapers.

    But however you want to think about it is fine with me. I accept your statement.
    Newspapers are often incorporated companies. Churches are protected by the constitution by freedom of religion.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    It's judicial activism. It's as if the court had made a new law concerning the right of free speech. I think it is up to congress to decide what "is" free speech.
    That has nothing to do with judicial activism.

    No, it is very much NOT just Congress's power alone to decide what is free speech. You are questioning the idea of judicial review. The courts have many times protected individuals from unjust laws using this power. You should know better.

    Corporations are granted special privileges and immunities by corporate law.

    For example. If you are a corporation and you break a law, you as a person running the corporation can not be tried for certain crimes. The corporations are tried, not individual people, even though they are the actual ones who caused the crime. Why should they get special privileges?
    Freedom of speech isn't a special privilege, it's a right.

    And by the way, the corporation being tried for a crime has the same legal rights in the trial an individual would have.

    If a small business owner owns a company he can usually get sued for his own personal wealth. This is against the basic american principle of equality.
    Small business owners can form corporations too, and most do. This is not about big vs. small.

    Also, the stockholders, who are people, are not permitted to exercise their free speech when it comes to running the corporation.
    They're not? Where'd you get that idea?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    No, actually it is the court's job to interpret law and the Constitution.

    If the small business owner is a sole proprietorship, that is true. But any small business owner with two brain cells to rub together incorporates his business and keeps separate books for the exact reason that it protects their personal property from being forfeited in any action against the business.

    They exercise their speech every year at election time.
    Right, only at election time. Some time this does not give them the right before the elections.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Newspapers are often incorporated companies. Churches are protected by the constitution by freedom of religion.
    Yes, exactly!

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes, exactly!
    I feel like we are going in circles on this one.

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