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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The Constitution says the people have the right to form associations and it also says the government can't stop freedom of speech.
    People do. Corporations do not.... Unions DO NOT.

    The framers of our Constitution did not create the document with the intent of protecting big businesses. You do not seem to realize this fact.

    Those rights were intended to protect people from government persecution. Nothing more. They do not protect businesses, unions, or other non-citizens.

    Nice try; however, your position, as interesting as it is, is not consistent with the Constitution or the intent of those who wrote it.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    No, I am well aware that the left is guilty of it as well. However, the reich-wing is generally the party that supports corrupt big businesses.

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    Businesses are NOT citizens and they do not have 1st Amendment rights. That is a reich-wing tactic used to protect their dishonest friends.

    I do not like it when ANYBODY does it. REGARDLESS of their political affiliation.

    Businesses and Unions are not American citizens; therefore, they are NOT entitled to constitutional protections provided to American citizens. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
    So you're saying that liberals and conservatives agree that corporations have a first amendment right to make contributions in order to attempt to influence political processes? You went back and forth a couple times in there and lost me.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Doesn't deny my freedom of speech just because I wish to unionize or incorporate either.
    You the citizen remain protected. Your business is not. Businesses do not have the right to buy off politicians. Businesses are not allowed to slander and then hide behind the 1st Amendment. (Neither are the unions)

    The constitution provides INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS with liberty. Businesses and Unions ARE NOT INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS; therefore, they are NOT entitled to the protection heretofore applied to American citizens by the constitution.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So you're saying that liberals and conservatives agree that corporations have a first amendment right to make contributions in order to attempt to influence political processes? You went back and forth a couple times in there and lost me.
    I am saying that neither of them has that right and that both sides are guilty of an epic, disgusting, motherload of political corruption.

    Remember... business corruption led to the creation of the unions... who then went corrupt.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Save the conspiracy theorist horse****. Believe it or not globalized economics can turn out to be mutually beneficial.
    Where did I complain about globalized economies?

    I am stating a possibility of having foreign governments through corporations they control fund the campaigns of politicians that may represent their interest more then the interests of the citizens who vote said politician into power.

    Giving rights to corporations is rather idiotic.

    A corporation cant vote, nor can it go to jail. Only the people who own or work for the corporation can. A corporation does not have the right to free speech, but its owners and workers do (or at least should)

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I am saying that neither of them has that right and that both sides are guilty of an epic, disgusting, motherload of political corruption.

    Remember... business corruption led to the creation of the unions... who then went corrupt.
    So even though both liberals and conservatives on the court agree that corporations have the rights I referred to, you think that they're just plain wrong and that you've got it all figured out?
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    People do. Corporations do not.... Unions DO NOT.
    People have the right to form groups. It follows that they can exercise their rights through groups.

    The framers of our Constitution did not create the document with the intent of protecting big businesses. You do not seem to realize this fact.
    That's highly debatable.

    Those rights were intended to protect people from government persecution. Nothing more. They do not protect businesses, unions, or other non-citizens.
    Wrong. Freedom of speech is freedom of speech. You can't simply declare that it doesn't exist when it doesn't appear to meet your declared purpose for it.

    Nice try; however, your position, as interesting as it is, is not consistent with the Constitution or the intent of those who wrote it.
    Where in the First Amendment does it say freedom of speech only applies to individuals?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The constitution provides INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS with liberty. Businesses and Unions ARE NOT INDIVIDUAL CITIZENS; therefore, they are NOT entitled to the protection heretofore applied to American citizens by the constitution.
    The Constitution protects more than individuals just like it protects more than citizens.

    The idea that corporations can speak is silly anyway - it's just individuals speaking as a group.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So what happens when a US based company owned or at least controlled by the Chinese government makes campaign contributions?

    With a few hundred billion USD the Chinese can now openly buy US politicians with the approval of the SC
    It's been done. The Chinese were heavy donors to Clinton's successful campaign in 1996, and who could forget AlGore's great 2000 fundraiser among the Buddhist monks who had taken vows of poverty?
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Z3n View Post
    Save the conspiracy theorist horse****. Believe it or not globalized economics can turn out to be mutually beneficial.
    Especially if you are a millionaire ["What do you mean "we" whiteman tonto said to the lone ranger when they were surrounded by some pissed off indians].

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