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    Re: Supreme Court ruling a landmark for corporate political cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    What is it that you think Unions are doing? They're not giving politicians money the same way corporations are, it's not possible...they're Unions...

    What Unions offer that politicians actually want are votes, not large sums of money. Hence putting the corporations on the same level as the Unions. That's probably what American meant.
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    1 AT&T Inc $44,027,485
    2 American Fedn of State, County & Municipal Employees $41,751,311
    3 National Assn of Realtors $35,438,725
    4 Goldman Sachs $31,413,462
    5 Intl Brotherhood of Electrical Workers $31,359,957
    6 American Assn for Justice $31,319,029
    7 National Education Assn $30,068,167
    8 Laborers Union $28,814,400
    9 Service Employees International Union $27,911,232
    10 Carpenters & Joiners Union $27,769,683
    11 Teamsters Union $27,684,624
    12 Communications Workers of America $26,992,076
    13 Citigroup Inc $26,983,588
    14 American Federation of Teachers $26,282,491
    15 American Medical Assn $26,280,223
    16 United Auto Workers $25,767,002
    17 Machinists & Aerospace Workers Union $25,105,777
    18 National Auto Dealers Assn $24,253,708
    19 United Food & Commercial Workers Union $24,088,333
    20 United Parcel Service $24,064,929
    The top 20 donors in all of politics over the past 20 years are:

    1 - Corporation
    2 - Union
    3 - Association of workers in an industry
    4 - Corporation
    5 - Union
    6 - Association of workers in an industry
    7 - Union
    8 - Union
    9 - Union
    10 - Union
    11 - Union
    12 - Union
    13 - Corporation
    14 - Union
    15 - Association of workers in an industry
    16 - Union
    17 - Union
    18 - Association of workers in an industry
    19 - Union
    20 - Corporation

    If you look at the distribution of money, only 5 of those 20 give more to Republicans than Democrats, with the largest split being 67-31. In contrast, 15 give more to Democrats than Republicans, with 14 of them giving more than 90% of their donations to Democrats. 7 of the unions give less than 2% of their donations to Republicans.

    All of which is a long way of saying that you're right that Unions don't donate the same way that Corporations do. The Corporations can't keep up.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    This was never about speech. It was about John Roberts and his Reich-wing cronies removing the barriers preventing their big business special interests from buying out Politicians wholesale.
    You've been invited to explain your position plenty of times. I've yet to see it.

    Is it your claim that only a "reich-wing crony" would decide a case holding that corporations have a first amendment right to make contributions in order to attempt to influence political processes? Yes or no.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    Allow me to end your wonder. The 5 ayes were dead on balls Constitutionally correct...is the answer.
    I still cannot see where the framers of the constitution intended for businesses to have a protected right to buy off politicians.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    You've been invited to explain your position plenty of times. I've yet to see it.

    Is it your claim that only a "reich-wing crony" would decide a case holding that corporations have a first amendment right to make contributions in order to attempt to influence political processes? Yes or no.
    No, I am well aware that the left is guilty of it as well. However, the reich-wing is generally the party that supports corrupt big businesses. (Yes, I know the left supports unions) There has to be a balance.

    Unions were created to keep murderous, dishonest, business owners in check. Unions protected the working class from the corrupt business owners. Don't believe me? In the 1800s, little children were forced to work in factories, 16-18 hours per day. They made about a nickle per day. They were not allowed to go to school and they often lost limbs because of the business owners did not want to spend money on safety measures.

    Unions forced businesses to do things they would not have. The unions were not always corrupt. Business always has been.

    The right-wing operates on a system designed to make them money while helping them avoid paying the consequences of their illegal actions. The unions where created by the working class to combat this.

    Neither of these institutions are entitled to protection or rights under the constitution.

    Businesses are NOT citizens and they do not have 1st Amendment rights. That is a reich-wing tactic used to protect their dishonest friends.

    I do not like it when ANYBODY does it. REGARDLESS of their political affiliation.

    Businesses and Unions are not American citizens; therefore, they are NOT entitled to constitutional protections provided to American citizens. PERIOD. END OF STORY.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I still cannot see where the framers of the constitution intended for businesses to have a protected right to buy off politicians.
    The Constitution says the people have the right to form associations and it also says the government can't stop freedom of speech.

    Since you weren't objecting when the goonions were buying politicians wholesale, you clearly don't have any objection to the idea of Congressmen for Sale.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling a landmark for corporate political cash

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
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    The top 20 donors in all of politics over the past 20 years are:

    If you look at the distribution of money, only 5 of those 20 give more to Republicans than Democrats, with the largest split being 67-31. In contrast, 15 give more to Democrats than Republicans, with 14 of them giving more than 90% of their donations to Democrats. 7 of the unions give less than 2% of their donations to Republicans.

    All of which is a long way of saying that you're right that Unions don't donate the same way that Corporations do. The Corporations can't keep up.
    I stand corrected, thanks for the info.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The Constitution says the people have the right to form associations and it also says the government can't stop freedom of speech.

    Since you weren't objecting when the goonions were buying politicians wholesale, you clearly don't have any objection to the idea of Congressmen for Sale.
    WRONG.

    On both counts. I suggest you re-read my posts.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I still cannot see where the framers of the constitution intended for businesses to have a protected right to buy off politicians.
    Doesn't deny my freedom of speech just because I wish to unionize or incorporate either.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    So what happens when a US based company owned or at least controlled by the Chinese government makes campaign contributions?

    With a few hundred billion USD the Chinese can now openly buy US politicians with the approval of the SC

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    So what happens when a US based company owned or at least controlled by the Chinese government makes campaign contributions?

    With a few hundred billion USD the Chinese can now openly buy US politicians with the approval of the SC
    Save the conspiracy theorist horse****. Believe it or not globalized economics can turn out to be mutually beneficial.
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