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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Why did Congress think the Constitution gave them the power to limit free speech in the first place?

    All the debate over how wrong the SCOTUS was in this ruling seems to be focused on everything but what powers the Constitution actually grants to Congress.

    How many of you really buy those knifes you see on TV that will cut through bricks and come with a lifetime guarantee and if you buy now you get a second set for free? Why would you need a second set if the first set can cut through bricks and is guaranteed for life?

    Perhaps we need the government to protect us from our own stupidity?
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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Why did Congress think the Constitution gave them the power to limit free speech in the first place?

    All the debate over how wrong the SCOTUS was in this ruling seems to be focused on everything but what powers the Constitution actually grants to Congress.

    How many of you really buy those knifes you see on TV that will cut through bricks and come with a lifetime guarantee and if you buy now you get a second set for free? Why would you need a second set if the first set can cut through bricks and is guaranteed for life?

    Perhaps we need the government to protect us from our own stupidity?
    Own stupidity is letting the government correct us for our won stupidity, yet we learn nothing because we keep electing stupid people.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    "It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried."
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    Don't tread on me= Don't tread on my corporate masters

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by deltabtry View Post
    Own stupidity is letting the government correct us for our won stupidity, yet we learn nothing because we keep electing stupid people.
    I don't think we elect stupid people, I think we elect power hungry people.

    The Founding Fathers got it right when they left it up to us to sort through all the differing opinions and make up our own minds. They gave us a Constitution that enumerated what powers were granted to the federal government and made sure to include the press in the 1st Amendment.

    The press at that time was mostly run by business people who owned another business (like a saw mill) that helped pay for printing costs etc.

    My point is this: The 1st Amendment to the Constitution included the press for a reason. At the time the Constitution was written the press was run by what we would consider corporations today. It was run by wealthy businessmen who had a vested interest in the political landscape at the time.

    The Founding Fathers went out of their way to promote and protect the free speech of businesses and individuals alike because a perfect union couldn’t exist without free speech for all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Why did Congress think the Constitution gave them the power to limit free speech in the first place?

    All the debate over how wrong the SCOTUS was in this ruling seems to be focused on everything but what powers the Constitution actually grants to Congress.
    Congress makes laws, and they're not expected to be constitutional scholars. That's the job of the Supreme Court. They are the ones who determine if a law is in accordance with the constitution, and in this case, they correctly determined that McCain/Feingold violated the first amendment (at least the conservative justices) and struck it down.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Here's another op-ed that grasps exactly what this decision was all about:

    Thursday's Supreme Court ruling in Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission, in which the Court struck down a blanket government prohibition on corporate political speech, is a wonderful decision that restores political speech to the primacy it was intended to have under the First Amendment.

    To truly appreciate the stakes in Citizens United, one must remember the government's legal position in the case. Implicit in its briefs but laid bare at oral argument, the government maintained that the Constitution allows the government to ban distribution of books over Amazon's Kindle; to prohibit a union from hiring a writer to author a book titled, "Why Working Americans Should Support the Obama Agenda"; and to prohibit Simon & Schuster from publishing, or Barnes & Noble from selling, a book containing even one line of advocacy for or against a candidate for public office. As David Barry would say, "I am not making this up."

    The Court said "no," and the only shocking thing about the decision is that the four liberal justices said "yes."

    Bradley A.Smith: The Supreme Court Brings Corporations Under the Protection of the First Amendment - WSJ.com

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    You are quite mistaken.

    Corporations and the SIGs will now feel free to buy off politicians to make laws that favor them and only them.
    Exactly. Who owns corporations? Ain't it We the People? Special interests...whose interests are they? Government's? Ain't they the interests...whether 'special' or not of We the People?

    Vader is correct here, We the People and We the People only will be favored. We may acorn, we may unionize, incorporate, call our interests special. We may have community organizers. We may have an entire playing field of effect on what happens in Washington DC.

    Our government doesn't have the right to make rules on how We the People elect or nominate candidates. An individual....is still an individual whether he works for a corporation, union, or community organization. I cannot see how anyone argues otherwise. Do any of we members of this forum work for corporations or work for a union? Is anyone going to argue that fact removes any of your individual rights...especially to freedom of speech?

    The Court ruled correctly and Constitutionally, Kennedy the decider and kudos to him. Sotomayor looking lost and scared, hopefully Ginsburg takes her under wing. Another unqualified Obama selection.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post

    Perhaps we need the government to protect us from our own stupidity?
    Agreed -- and allowing unlimited amounts of cash into the electoral process is beyond stupid.

    Corporations are a legal entity. The board of directors/CEOs may have different political interests than the shareholders and employees.

    Money, especially in large amounts, corrupts people and will corrupt the political process even more so than it already is.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Agreed -- and allowing unlimited amounts of cash into the electoral process is beyond stupid.

    Corporations are a legal entity. The board of directors/CEOs may have different political interests than the shareholders and employees.

    Money, especially in large amounts, corrupts people and will corrupt the political process even more so than it already is.
    Sounds like we should get rid of politican's salaries then since money is such a terrible corrupter.

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