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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    You would say that the ability to speak is proportional with money right? So the people in the corporations get their money from the corporation. Presumably, their opinions will be biased for their corporations. So their power will come from the corporation and opinion will be for the corporation. Yet this is okay? What exactly is the difference?
    No, what I am saying is that, for the exact reasons you mentioned, corporations CANNOT be allowed to have the rights in questions.

    Corporations cannot be allowed to buy votes or have the freedom to force their purchased opinions on the world.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Yeah, that is a good thought.

    I'm sure the government will find some way to absorb it and use it to fund their agenda.
    Not to go too far off on a tangent, but I'd bet my left testicle that it goes to law enforcement. It's quite a racket these days.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    No, what I am saying is that, for the exact reasons you mentioned, corporations CANNOT be allowed to have the rights in questions.

    Corporations cannot be allowed to buy votes or have the freedom to force their purchased opinions on the world.
    Why not? If you restrict the rights of the corporations then how exactly do you not restrict the rights of the people that comprise that corporation?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    No, what I am saying is that, for the exact reasons you mentioned, corporations CANNOT be allowed to have the rights in questions.

    Corporations cannot be allowed to buy votes or have the freedom to force their purchased opinions on the world.
    Buy votes? Force their opinions?

    Try reality. This is no different from anyone else's speech. Do you want to ban all political ads?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    And yet more:

    Does Corporate Money Lead to Political Corruption?

    [S]ince the Watergate scandal of the 1970s, Congress has imposed stricter regulations on money in politics. Advocates of those rules argue that they rein in corruption and increase public trust in government. But after more than three decades, has the system made a difference?

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    Legal scholars and social scientists say the evidence is meager, at best, that the post-Watergate campaign finance system has accomplished the broad goals its supporters asserted. Justice Anthony M. Kennedy noted in his opinion that no evidence was marshaled in 100,000 pages of legal briefs to show that unrestricted campaign money ever bought a lawmaker’s vote. And even after Congress further tightened the rules with the landmark McCain-Feingold law in 2002, banning hundreds of millions of dollars in unlimited contributions to the political parties, public trust in government fell to new lows, according to polls.

    And what about the corporations that contributed so much of that money? A review of the biggest corporate donors found that their stock prices were unaffected after they stopped giving to the parties. The results suggest that those companies did not lose their influence and may have been giving “because they were shaken down by politicians,” said Nathaniel Persily, a professor at Columbia Law School who has studied the law’s impact. “There is no evidence that stricter campaign finance rules reduce corruption or raise positive assessments of government,” said Kenneth Mayer, a professor of political science at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. “It seems like such an obvious relationship but it has proven impossible to prove.”

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    In the United States, studies comparing states like Virginia with scant regulation against those like Wisconsin with strict rules have not found much difference in levels of corruption or public trust, several scholars said. Jeff Milyo, an economist at the University of Missouri, has compared states with strict bans on corporate contributions to political parties against those with no limits at all. “There is just no good evidence that campaign finance laws have any effect on actual corruption,” he said.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Why not? If you restrict the rights of the corporations then how exactly do you not restrict the rights of the people that comprise that corporation?
    The individuals can speak for themselves; however, they CANNOT speak on behalf of the corporations with the same protections given an individual speaking his own (not owned by corporate bribery) opinion.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The individuals can speak for themselves; however, they CANNOT speak on behalf of the corporations with the same protections given an individual speaking his own (not owned by corporate bribery) opinion.
    Huh? Why not?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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