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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    I'd love to see it used to defray the costs of his prosecution, though I suspect it will go to law enforcement.
    Yeah, that is a good thought.

    I'm sure the government will find some way to absorb it and use it to fund their agenda.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    I haven't read this whole thread, and how can I with 44 pages here? I think that it would be important for people to understand what exactly the case was.

    Citizens United tried to produce a video about Hillary Clinton during the 2008 Presidential Election. Citizens United is a group that formed to respond to Michael Moore's video Farenheit 9/11. So they try to come up with this video, but the FEC says that it can't come out. It is effectively censored.

    Let's not talk about this being about corporate spending. This is about free speech being censored. Corporations are groups of INDIVIDUALS. If they want to put forward an opinion, so be it.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I haven't read this whole thread, and how can I with 44 pages here? I think that it would be important for people to understand what exactly the case was.

    Citizens United tried to produce a video about Hillary Clinton during the 2008 Presidential Election. Citizens United is a group that formed to respond to Michael Moore's video Farenheit 9/11. So they try to come up with this video, but the FEC says that it can't come out. It is effectively censored.

    Let's not talk about this being about corporate spending. This is about free speech being censored. Corporations are groups of INDIVIDUALS. If they want to put forward an opinion, so be it.
    Corporate personhood is a myth. Corporations are not people and the do not deserve the same rights as people.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    You think so, huh?

    Look, my liberal credentials are pretty good, and I know this political spending stuff inside and out, and I'm hear to tell you you're wildly overreacting, and in a pretty high school drama way at that.
    You claim to know this political spending stuff inside and out?

    Are you even remotely implying that most politicans are honest?

    I graduated from hs over fifty years ago and then attended the college of hard knocks the rest of my life. I've learned how crooked they ALL are.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Corporate personhood is a myth. Corporations are not people and the do not deserve the same rights as people.
    I never said that they are people. However, corporations are composed of people and so if you restrict the rights of the corporation then you restrict the rights of the people that compose that corporation.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I never said that they are people. However, corporations are composed of people and so if you restrict the rights of the corporation then you restrict the rights of the people that compose that corporation.
    Not really. Each member has those rights individually. The corporation does not. When speaking as the corporation, the corporation does not have those rights.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Not really. Each member has those rights individually. The corporation does not. When speaking as the corporation, the corporation does not have those rights.
    You would say that the ability to speak is proportional with money right? So the people in the corporations get their money from the corporation. Presumably, their opinions will be biased for their corporations. So their power will come from the corporation and opinion will be for the corporation. Yet this is okay? What exactly is the difference?

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    Re: Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    the federalist papers are there to show the intent of the founders, tell me what part of those papers shows that the founders were in favor of government control through excessive taxation? Seems to me that is the exact thing they were fighting against.....


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    There was no thing about taxation in the original.

    The amendment on taxation was ratified in 1916. The constitution is a living document for living people we can not have "rule from the dead" as Tom Paine once wrote.

    The constitution is a contract approved by the people through their reps in a republican form of government for the purpose of constituting the rule of law.

    We could theoretically ratify an amendment to make slavery legal again if it was ratified by the people. Even the supreme court can not overturn a constitutional amendment.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    I never said that they are people. However, corporations are composed of people and so if you restrict the rights of the corporation then you restrict the rights of the people that compose that corporation.
    Soylent green is people!

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Cassandra View Post
    That strikes me as rhetorical nonsense. Large numbers of investors do not even know exactly what is in their portfolio from one week to the next; they certainly haven't a voice in the way the corporation uses its money.
    I highly doubt this. Unless a person invested strictly in mutual funds, they should know exactly in which companies they have invested, and they would get a ballot each year in the mail for the stockholder election. The only way a person could not know what was in their portfolio is some sort of amnesia.

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