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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    I'm suprised third parties aren't for more finance reform. How much more powerful do you think they'd be if they didn't have to compete with massive donations unions and corporations make to the GOP and Dems?
    I don't know about other "third" parties, but libertarianism presumes that the phrase "your money" means that you're the one who decides how it's spent, not me or anyone else.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    So, you're okay with goonions buying politicians, but you don't want to share.
    No, I am against ANYBODY buying politicians.

    And for the record EVERYBODY lost when the SCOTUS made that unamerican decision.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Maybe we can start working on ways to enforce the honesty of politicians.

    I would say the first step is a permanent Independent Counsel with the sole function of investigating and prosecuting ethics charges against Congressmen.
    I agree. This independant council must be screened to rule out political affiliations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Chrissy Dodd can take bribes from ****rywide and he's allowed to retire at taxpayer expense? Chucky Rangel can cheat on his taxes infinitely and retain his leadership position on the Ways and Means Committee?
    Chris Dodd belongs in 10x10 cell ... receiving the same treatment that Bernard Madoff got.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, we need to start amputating the corrupt Representatives and Senators, using criminal prosecution as the tool.

    No Congressman convicted of a felony should be eligible for any pension accrusing from his time in office. (We'll skip over the fact that Congressmen should not be getting pensions at all...)
    I agree completely. This is why I want to all financial data, from campaign finance all the way through retirement, open to regular examination by independant forensic accountants.

    The first time a suspicious charge at Wallmart pops up, I want to see a Sentor/Congressmen/President/Vice President immeediately indicted and removed from office.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Jail.

    That's how you stop Congressmen from being bought off.
    No person convicted of an ethic
    I agree. Also ... these sentences need to me made pardon-proof and there needs to be absolutely no early release.

    Also ... all bribes need to be confiscated and sold. The offending business needs to suffer the same. All assets of the corporation need to be frozen, the officer responsible for the bribe needs to have all of his/her assets frozen.

    Then ... massive fines againsts the business as a result. Fines in the 10s of millions of dollars for companies like AIG and the like.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    And for the record EVERYBODY lost when the SCOTUS made that unamerican decision.
    How do people lose when a Constitutional right is restored after long suppression?

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Chris Dodd belongs in 10x10 cell ... receiving the same treatment that Bernard Madoff got.
    So much room!

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I agree completely. This is why I want to all financial data, from campaign finance all the way through retirement, open to regular examination by independant forensic accountants.
    That's part of the answer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    The first time a suspicious charge at Wallmart pops up, I want to see a Sentor/Congressmen/President/Vice President immeediately indicted and removed from office.
    That's the spirit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I agree. Also ... these sentences need to me made pardon-proof and there needs to be absolutely no early release.
    That's right.

    No way should we let terrorists have a chance to parade their prostate cancer
    before cheering crowds, and no way should corrupt politicians be given a break.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Also ... all bribes need to be confiscated and sold.
    What do you think William Jefferson's frozen twenty-thou would sell for?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    Chris Dodd belongs in 10x10 cell ... receiving the same treatment that Bernard Madoff got.



    So much room!


    don't know why, but that's funny

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    How do people lose when a Constitutional right is restored after long suppression?
    I do not believe allowing bribes from SIGs is nor or ever was a Constitutional right.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    What do you think William Jefferson's frozen twenty-thou would sell for?
    Who knows. All of those frozen assets need to be confiscated and returned to the American people.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Who knows. All of those frozen assets need to be confiscated and returned to the American people.
    I'd love to see it used to defray the costs of his prosecution, though I suspect it will go to law enforcement.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I do not believe allowing bribes from SIGs is nor or ever was a Constitutional right.
    How does this decision allow for bribery?

    (Hint - it didn't touch the current limits on contributions to political candidates.)

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    I agree completely. This is why I want to all financial data, from campaign finance all the way through retirement, open to regular examination by independant forensic accountants.
    That's pretty much the way it is now, at least for campaign money.

    As for personal funds, even politicians have some level of a right to privacy and being considered innocent until proven guilty.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    For the 40th or 50th time, can you explain why that problem will be any more substantial under this decision than it was before this decision?
    The entire point of this decision is that it expands the ability to do it. And since the corporations are doing this, they operate under slightly different legal standards, which allows them to deliver a lot more misinformation then before.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    How do people lose when a Constitutional right is restored after long suppression?
    You're kidding, right?

    The problem with this decision, is that the political ads that are now going to be allowed are going t be complete bull, lying every which way about the candidates. Then, the people will have to decide what they see is true, and what they see is false. Given that people are pretty freaking stupid, I doubt they will see through all the misinformation heading their way.

    What will end up happening, is the stupidest part of America will decide what the entire country has to put up with for the term limit of whatever office.

    People are going to switch on the tv, see some stupid commerical for candidate X, against candidate Y, and are going to see some total bull, and they are goign to buy it, and vote for X because of the ad. No intelligent person wants that.
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