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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    What disturbs me is how far back it rolls restrictions, arguably back to 1907. A lot of precedent is being disregarded here. This comes to mind.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    This is bull****.

    The government governs because that is what it is supposed to do. Corporations are buying off politicians because they do not want to follow the rules set up by the government.

    This is not self-defence. This is a means of avoiding responsibility for their actions.
    Try reading the Constitution sometimes.

    The American governs inside specific limits.

    Restricting freedom of speech is expressly outside those limits.

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    Re: Supreme Court ruling a landmark for corporate political cash

    Quote Originally Posted by Diogenes View Post
    And the donations are reported much too late. Part of gaming the system is to have large donors commit to large sums donated in the last few weeks before the election; that way the donations don't have to be reported until after the election is over. If Soros or one of his front organizations is putting up the money for a candidate, I want to know about it before I vote.
    But that's going to affect very few people's votes if they know WHO is funding them. The issue is how much money candidate need at all.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Try reading the Constitution sometimes.

    The American governs inside specific limits.

    Restricting freedom of speech is expressly outside those limits.
    That's freedom of speech, not freedom of monetary donation.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    That's freedom of speech, not freedom of monetary donation.
    Ya ya ya.

    That's already been discussed.

    The ability to purchase advertising is freedom of speech.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Vader View Post
    Now corporations can legally buy off politicians to push their personal corporate agendas.
    Some corporations could do that before this ruling: For example, GE owns NBC and has been free to barter favorable coverage in return for political favors like government contracts for other GE products.

    Now the playing field is level. As it should be.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by elbatrop View Post
    money buys lots and lots of ads and TV time, corps have deep pockets and a handful of corps own the media

    it is also in the best interests of corporations to get what they want from the govt despite what may be good for the country or citizens

    now corporations have an open mic to advertise as they wish in politics where before they did not

    they don't have to vote, all they have to do is get voters to vote how they want them to and advertise against some candidates while promoting others, this is very easy when you can use corporate cash directly

    when you can literally throw a few billion at a campaign while the actual candidates are using a few million what do you think happens?

    these dots are not hard to connect
    The dots are only easy to connect if you don't understand what you're drawing.

    If GM wanted to spend a billion dollars on a campaign, they could have done so before this decision, using only slightly different methods. They didn't. What makes you think they're going to do it now?

    Again, so it's perfectly clear, corporations were free to buy all the ads they wanted even before this decision, so long as they did it through various front groups and avoided using particular words.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    All this hysteria is quite reminiscent of when the "Assault Weapons" Ban was allowed to expire.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The dots are only easy to connect if you don't understand what you're drawing.

    If GM wanted to spend a billion dollars on a campaign, they could have done so before this decision, using only slightly different methods. They didn't. What makes you think they're going to do it now?

    Again, so it's perfectly clear, corporations were free to buy all the ads they wanted even before this decision, so long as they did it through various front groups and avoided using particular words.
    those "other" methods involved risks and limitations which no longer exist, at this stage why not use it? but at this point some companies are already so deep into the government that it doesn't even matter, for them there is no need to bother as lobbying is enough while others will have a new and legal way in

    This ruling is just a new tool for them to use or door to walk thru, they have the right to not use it as well as use it, given what is at stake and how anti-trust laws and law in general is basically unenforced these days I would expect them to use it and see how it goes at the very least. I suspect some will be quite successful at it. I would think most sane folks would have enough of abusive/corrupt/illegal corporate power entrenched in govt these days but I guess not. Is it worth the risks? I do not think so. I don't think it will stand for long either but we will see.

    I think it will be quite interesting to watch the major media corps decide who gets airtime though, that is a nice new power to have.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Anti-trust laws are enforced.

    Look at what Microsoft was going through until Gates caved in and started shelling out the money Clinton was demanding. As soon as he started his liberal foundations, Reno the Attack Bull Dyke Baby-Barbequing Jello was called off.

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