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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The Constitution doesn't grant any rights.
    Excuse me for using the vernacular. But it's easier than typing "Rights gaurenteed by the restrictions on government as proscribed in the United States Constitution most specifically in this instance, the 1st Amendment right to free speach."

    But everyone knows what I was talking about, or were you going somewhere specific with this?

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Constitutional rights don't evaporate simply because they're expressed through a corporation.
    The issue is one of intention.
    Acme inc. is responsible to Acme shareholders. Not all of which are residents or citizens. It is responsible for the fiscal well being of those people, not their actual well being.
    The opinions being expressed are the opinions of Acme. Not necessarily those of the people voicing them.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    The opinions being expressed are the opinions of Acme. Not necessarily those of the people voicing them.
    "Acme" is the people of Acme. But even so -- so what?
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    Re: Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Wrong.

    Read the federalists papers. Better yet, read the Preamble, the first three words are "we the people" "Not We the people and entities"

    Next thing you will be claiming is that Soylent Green is people.
    Does a corporation itself invest money in political advertising, or do the people who own and control the corporation do so?

    Are they somehow not deserving of first amendment protection on political speech, simply because of their occupation?

    And Soylent Green is people dammit!

    btw, did you listen to the interview?

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    Excuse me for using the vernacular. But it's easier than typing "Rights gaurenteed by the restrictions on government as proscribed in the United States Constitution most specifically in this instance, the 1st Amendment right to free speach."

    But everyone knows what I was talking about, or were you going somewhere specific with this?
    No, not everyone knows that, and yes, there's a point.

    The First Amendment is a blanket restriction on what government may do. It's not specific as to who's exercising the rights in question.
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    Re: Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post
    Wrong.

    Read the federalists papers. Better yet, read the Preamble, the first three words are "we the people" "Not We the people and entities"
    The Preamble isn't the First Amendment.

    Cite the Federalist Papers which support you on this. Be very specific.


    Next thing you will be claiming is that Soylent Green is people.
    In the movie, Soylent Green WAS people (in the book it was not). And? That has what to do with what?
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i have yet to see a corporation speak
    It happens all the time. The speech is called "commercials" (and sometimes "infomercials") and they show up on radio and TV all the time. Sometimes these commercials are paid for by enterprises which exist to provide a service for fair compensation (your local auto dealers, for instance), and sometimes they are paid for by enterprises which exist solely to collect donations to further the political and economic interests of their members (like ACORN and the environmental groups).

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    Re: Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    In the end, all we did was open up our doors and boarders of our political process to any corporation with large sums of money. Ask yourself this question, if there is a bill now which is overall great for the country and the People at large and well within the proper power of the government, but devastating to Goldman Sachs would it pass? If your answer is no, then you must admit that the system is breaking down. The Republic is at risk. The founders passed down this Republic to us and it's ours to keep or ours to loose....we are definitely on the path to loosing it.
    What is it that you expect Goldman Sachs to do?
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Bottom line.. there is far far too much money in US politics and this ruling might bring it to the public view but it will also increase it considerably since now it is legal for special interests to spend billions on a candidate.

    It use to be that politicians were elected by the people for the people. Now days it looks more and more like it is politicians elected by the people for the special interests and corporations.
    You have no idea what "used to be" or even "is now" in the United States.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Bottom line.. there is far far too much money in US politics and this ruling might bring it to the public view but it will also increase it considerably since now it is legal for special interests to spend billions on a candidate.

    It use to be that politicians were elected by the people for the people. Now days it looks more and more like it is politicians elected by the people for the special interests and corporations.
    I asked you once already and you dodged like everyone else. Can you please explain how this decision will lead to special interests spending billions on candidates that they couldn't spend before?

    You, like everyone else who has raised this point, don't have the slightest clue. You just heard that "corporations can spend money on elections!" and got all outraged without understanding the facts. It's the same type of uninformed fear-mongering that we saw with the "death panels" nonsense.

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    I'm confused. Since when was a Corporation granted Constitutional rights?
    The fact that a corporation is not treated as equivalent to a person for everything ranging from tax filing to voting does not mean it does not enjoy some constitutional protections.

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    i don't believe our founding fathers were referring to anyone but people.
    So you think that they meant to protect your freedom of religion, but thought that the government could prosecute the Catholic church for being heretics? That they mean to protect your right to publish the news, but thought that the NYT could be banned?

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    i have yet to see a corporation speak
    The fact that you don't perceive something to be speech has no bearing on whether it qualifies as speech under the constitution.
    People sleep peaceably in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf.

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