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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    That point is the issue. Because at that point the emphesis changes from what is good for the people (who the government represents) and starts being about what is good for the business. Those things aren't always the same. And when in conflict the government is supposed to represent the citizens.
    How it is changing? The "Business" is a group of "people". They are arguing for what's good for "them" because that's what EVERYONE does.

    How many people do you know that send money to a politician going "This will hurt me, but please do it or i'll stop sending money".

    The prime reason many people give money to a politician is so they do what htey want, or because they already are doing what you want and you want to support them.

    Why is it that a group of people could do a bake sale and you'd be fine with them using that profit to make a political message, but if a group of people make a legitimate business and use that profit to make a political message its horrible?

    Are Business not made out of "the people"? Are businesses not made up of American Citizens? Does a businesses success not impact American citizens? Then wouldn't doing something specifically bad for business be in essense doing something specifically bad for a large number of people as well?

    So you're saying that PEOPLE are allowed to lobby the government for anything and everything that's helpful to themselves....EXCEPT when it comes to their business?

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    This should help:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
    i don't believe our founding fathers were referring to anyone but people.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So you believe that the tax payers should fund incumbents re-elections, and that people should not be allowed to support the candidate of their choice. Got it. Government = good, people = evil to you.
    what a leap. but not unexpected.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Who makes up a corporation?



    And, that would be fair. I could go along with that.
    depends. sometimes one or two people, sometimes thousands. the point is, a board of directors is not in place to represent the employees interests, they are put in place to further profits.

    Originally Posted by johnny_rebson:

    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    I'm confused. Since when was a Corporation granted Constitutional rights?
    The stronger concept of corporate personhood, in which (for example) First, Fifth, and Fourteenth Amendment rights have been asserted by corporations, is often traced to the 1886 U.S. Supreme Court case Santa Clara County v. Southern Pacific Railroad Company (118 U.S. 394). In that case, before oral argument took place, Chief Justice Morrison R. Waite announced:

    "The court does not wish to hear argument on the question whether the provision in the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution, which forbids a State to deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws, applies to these corporations. We are all of the opinion that it does."[7]

    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_personhood_debate]Corporate personhood debate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending

    This ruling only does one thing: it makes it legal to do what they're doing anyway.

    Check out what Obama got from AIG, Quadrangle, etc, in the last election. Check out how that money gets funneled to ACORN and like.

    The reason the Dems (MSNBC was ballistic last night, LOL) are so pissed about this is that it takes the steam out of one of their playbook talking points during campaigns. They always accuse the Republicans of being in corporate back pockets, while they themselves were beholden even to a greater degree to corporations and special interests.

    Nothing is new here. It's just now going to be out in the open again.

    Both sides will benefit greatly, AS THEY ALWAYS HAVE.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Let's just admit that we live in a Corporatocracy. That way we are not shocked, surprised or saddened when we get a broadside, unabashed look at the workings of our Corporate Government.

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    Re: Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Let me get this straight. It's corporations' fault a Senator will betray his conscience, his country and his family for money? If that's the case, it really doesn't matter where that money comes from. Does it? If that is the case, there's clearly more fundamental problems within the government, than in a free associations.
    Point is that corporate flacks will have a huge funding advantage going into any election. People who possess the courage of their convictions will be even less likely than they are now to become Senator.

    But, I agree, the U.S. political system is fundamentally, irretrievably broken.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns


    Somehow this thread got moved to "US Elections???"

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