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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Court Rolls Back Campaign Spending Limits - WSJ.com

    Before people start yelling about how this means that corporate money is going to somehow start tainting campaigns, we need to understand that corporate money already taints campaigns in the exact same way. Corporations can already spend as much money as they want on influencing an election in shady ways. This simply allows them to do it forthrightly as well, which is preferable, while also ensuring that the right to speak is not limited to those with substantial means. Don't buy the hype.

    A highlight from the opinion:



    I'm very glad to see this decision.
    Now that this decision has been rendered, Americans will finally be able to once again see where much of the campaign money is really coming from. This decision will go far towards openness in campaigns.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Well, naturally I must assume Justabubba is more learned about the Constitution than five people whose entire lives have been dedicated to its study...



    A good day for those that are against government censorship

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And death to US democracy. So when is the new Senator for Bank of America going to take his seat?
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058266093

    How does our current system prevent this?

    If I have a few billion to burn, I create a 501(c)(4) called RightinNYC Solutions. I then give that 501(c)(4) as much as I want, and send it out there to spread my message. All I have to do is couch my message in terms of "voter education" or "issue advocacy."

    Come election season, I set up a PAC called RightinNYC Advocacy. Although this one isn't a 501(c)(4), it has the freedom to advocate for actual candidates by name. There are some funding restrictions on it, but I just use the 501(c)(4) to get out the concepts and this one to drive home the points.

    If that's not enough, I can just set up a 527 called RightinNYC Principles. I can fund this one as freely as I fund my 501(c)(4), so the donation limits don't come into play. The only restriction on this group is that I don't use a particular set of magic words in my ads. Other than that, I can do whatever I want.

    The primary effect of the current campaign finance structure is to mislead the public into believing that we've limited the impact of special interests in politics and to make it difficult for all but the obscenely wealthy to have truly free speech.
    I'd love to hear an explanation for how this decision will corrupt politics in a way that it's not already corrupted, as opposed to your ignorant pronunciations on issues you clearly don't understand.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well, naturally I must assume Justabubba is more learned about the Constitution than five people whose entire lives have been dedicated to its study...



    A good day for those that are against government censorship
    yes, those sc justices who wrote strongly in the opposition had no understanding of the topic [/s]

    a welcome opportunity for those who are against stupidity
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    mad Supreme Court ruling a landmark for corporate political cash

    Supreme Court ruling a landmark for corporate political cash

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) Corporations can spend freely to support or oppose candidates for president and Congress, the Supreme Court ruled on Thursday in a landmark decision that allows massive sums to be spent to influence future elections.

    The 5-4 ruling split the high court along conservative and liberal lines. It was a defeat for the Obama administration and supporters of campaign finance laws who said that ending the limits would unleash a flood of corporate money into the political system.

    This is the greatest case of SCOTUS incompetence I have ever seen.

    Lets all give the cluess assholes who voted to alllow the corporate buyoff of the government a big hand. The justices responsible for voting "yes" on this issue (probably republicans) needs to be removed from office.

    This country just lost key liberty and no longer has free and fair elections.

    The SCOTUS ... what a bunch of ****ing imbeciles.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Court Rolls Back Campaign Spending Limits - WSJ.com

    Before people start yelling about how this means that corporate money is going to somehow start tainting campaigns, we need to understand that corporate money already taints campaigns in the exact same way. Corporations can already spend as much money as they want on influencing an election in shady ways. This simply allows them to do it forthrightly as well, which is preferable, while also ensuring that the right to speak is not limited to those with substantial means. Don't buy the hype.

    A highlight from the opinion:



    I'm very glad to see this decision.

    Naturally. The Reiche-wing loves to buy off votes.

    Now they can do it wholesale.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1058266093


    I'd love to hear an explanation for how this decision will corrupt politics in a way that it's not already corrupted, as opposed to your ignorant pronunciations on issues you clearly don't understand.
    1. Politics and business CANNOT EVER mix. We do not need business executives buying legislation to legitimize their illegal activities.

    2. POlitics and business DO NOT mix. This is a bad idea because it means people with money make the law and poor people get stuck living with it. There is no longer any chance of a fair election. Now businesses will be buying off politics right and left... in a wholesale fashion.

    There are already too damn many sellouts in the house and in the senate. Now the corporate scum in this country can buy off the government wholesale.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Now that this decision has been rendered, Americans will finally be able to once again see where much of the campaign money is really coming from. This decision will go far towards openness in campaigns.
    Maybe. In all actuality, corporations will use this decision to make sure that their illicit corporate behaviors are legalized by the politicians they have secretly owned for years.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by justabubba View Post
    they somehow equated a citizen's Constitutional right of free speech to now be a right of free speech enjoyed by corporations
    Corporations are just groups of people who voluntarily associate. Why should my free speech rights evaporate when I want to get together with a like minded individual and support a common view?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And death to US democracy. So when is the new Senator for Bank of America going to take his seat?
    Good question!

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