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    Re: Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending

    Quote Originally Posted by elbatrop View Post
    foreign governments especially ones with deep pockets are going to enjoy this ruling if its stands
    won't be hard to use a state owned corporation to run all sorts of ads and buy some politicians to get what they want directly, nice security risk

    of course if the US actually enforced its anti-trust laws it would help a great deal but even if it did this new ruling isn't good, unintended consequences and corruption can do wonders
    You mean like the unions and the DOE do now do for the dems now?
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    Re: Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Areopagitican View Post
    Let me get this straight. It's corporations' fault a Senator will betray his conscience, his country and his family for money? If that's the case, it really doesn't matter where that money comes from. Does it? If that is the case, there's clearly more fundamental problems within the government, than in a free associations.
    nope it isn't, all this new ruling does is make it legal for corporations to overtly spend money and support whomever they please and this can be done with or without the consent and knowledge of the candidate

    for example a foreign corporation can now buy airtime and run ads for a sympathetic candidate to their cause and its all legal

    as far as betrayal goes, money already has been shown to do that, it is a great motivator and yes we do have some very very serious problems within our govt, that is not new
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Corporations are just groups of people who voluntarily associate. Why should my free speech rights evaporate when I want to get together with a like minded individual and support a common view?
    WRONG -- a Corporation is legal entity having its own rights, privileges, and liabilities distinct from those of its members.


    Your reasoning is as thin as all the partisan explanations defending this activist decision. You all mindlessly recite back what you heard on FNC, Rush, or Drudge...

    It was a fundamental misreading of the Constitution to say that these artificial legal constructs have the same right to spend money on politics as ordinary Americans have to speak out in support of a candidate.

    The majority also makes the nonsensical claim that, unlike campaign contributions, which are still prohibited, independent expenditures by corporations “do not give rise to corruption or the appearance of corruption.” If Wall Street bankers told members of Congress that they would spend millions of dollars to defeat anyone who opposed their bailout, and then did so, it would certainly look corrupt.

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    Not one far-right partisan hack on DP has been able to give a logical explanation why corporations, an artificial legal entity should be entitled to the same free speech protections as individuals.

    You morons freak out about socialism, communism, and the Acorn boogyman, but you've drunk so much of the Teaparty cool-aide you can't see how totally ****ed up this is...

    This is not a victory for Free Speech. It's a ****ing disaster. I wouldn't even call it right-wing judicial activism. A true conservative jurist would have thrown this out.

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    Re: Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Its amazing that are left wing friends are ignoring this great victory for the right and for the first amendment which they are always citing........
    You didn't give anyone much time to reply before you double posted. I agree with the supreme court on just about everything, including this. Conservatives on the other hand seem to attack the supreme court every chance they get as if they are more qualified to interpret the constitution...

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Bottom line.. there is far far too much money in US politics and this ruling might bring it to the public view but it will also increase it considerably since now it is legal for special interests to spend billions on a candidate.

    It use to be that politicians were elected by the people for the people. Now days it looks more and more like it is politicians elected by the people for the special interests and corporations.
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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
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    Good news for free speech advocates, bad news for liberals (and McCain).

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    I'm confused. Since when was a Corporation granted Constitutional rights?

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Alvin T. Grey View Post
    I'm confused. Since when was a Corporation granted Constitutional rights?
    Do you believe a single person has the right to speak freely about a candidate?

    Do you believe a group of friends have the right to speak freely about a candidate?

    Do you believe that group of friends would have the right to attempt to pool their money and buy a local newspaper ad to speak freely about their candidate?

    Do you believe a group of friends that form a club that gets more people that pool their money to send out letters have a right to speak freely about their candidate?

    Do you believe a group of friends that form a club that gets more people that does a bake sell that raises money they use to send out letters have a right to speak freely about their candidate?

    Do you believe a group of friends who start a business which grows large enough to have employees that makes a good that sells for money that they use to buy a commerical have a right to speak freely about a candidate?

    I'm curious at which point you feel that individuals grouped together become to large to be allowed freedom of speech.

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    Re: Supreme Court Strikes Down Key Section of McCain-Feingold

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Do you believe a single person has the right to speak freely about a candidate?

    Do you believe a group of friends have the right to speak freely about a candidate?

    Do you believe that group of friends would have the right to attempt to pool their money and buy a local newspaper ad to speak freely about their candidate?

    Do you believe a group of friends that form a club that gets more people that pool their money to send out letters have a right to speak freely about their candidate?

    Do you believe a group of friends that form a club that gets more people that does a bake sell that raises money they use to send out letters have a right to speak freely about their candidate?

    Do you believe a group of friends who start a business which grows large enough to have employees that makes a good that sells for money that they use to buy a commerical have a right to speak freely about a candidate?

    I'm curious at which point you feel that individuals grouped together become to large to be allowed freedom of speech.
    That point is the issue. Because at that point the emphesis changes from what is good for the people (who the government represents) and starts being about what is good for the business. Those things aren't always the same. And when in conflict the government is supposed to represent the citizens.

    Or you don't have a democrasy. You have a corporitocracy(sp?)

    And secondly this was about corporate financing wasn't it?
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    Re: Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Another win for the good guys and the first amendment....Way to go SCOTUS...Thank you President Bush!!!!


    Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending - CNN.com

    January 21 2012

    Washington (CNN) -- The Supreme Court has given big business, unions and nonprofits more power to spend freely in federal elections, a major turnaround that threatens a century of government efforts to regulate the power of corporations to bankroll American politics.

    A 5-4 conservative majority crafted a narrow overhaul of federal campaign spending Thursday that could have an immediate effect on this year's congressional midterm elections. The justices eased long-standing restrictions on "independent spending" by corporations and unions in political campaigns.

    "When government seeks to use its full power, including the criminal law, to command where a person may get his or her information or what distrusted source he or she may not hear, it uses censorship to control thought," Justice Anthony Kennedy wrote for the majority. "The First Amendment confirms the freedom to think for ourselves."
    While I agree with you that campaign finance laws are generally too strict and some of them are an assault on free speech, I am horrified that the Supreme Court has overturned 100 years of precedent by essentially granting corporations the same rights as human beings.

    The courts (until now) have always viewed the idea of corporate personhood as a gift bestowed onto business. In exchange for this legal standing, government has reserved the right to limit the extent to which corporations can be treated like humans.

    I'm not a big fan of restrictive campaign finance laws...but there are bigger issues at stake here. Anyone who agrees with this ruling has no basis to ever complain about "judicial activism."
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    Re: Supreme Court eases restrictions on corporate campaign spending

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You mean like the unions and the DOE do now do for the dems now?
    Actually, the Supreme Court's ruling overturns campaign restrictions on unions as well.
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