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    Re: Supreme Court Rips Up Campaign Finance Laws

    Thanks for posting the 10th thread on this.
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    Re: Supreme Court Rips Up Campaign Finance Laws

    just came out today, sorry didnt see the others
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    Re: SCOTUS Strikes Down Campaign Finance!

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    hey HEY, Americans, it turns out we have a "freedom of speech" thingy!
    hey HEY, Americans, it turns out we don't mind having our politicians bought and paid for by corporations and labor unions!

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    Re: SCOTUS Strikes Down Campaign Finance!

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    hey HEY, Americans, it turns out we don't mind having our politicians bought and paid for by corporations and labor unions!
    For this, I blame the politicians, not the corporations.

    We should just eliminate the government's ability to throw out corporate kick backs in the first place.
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    Re: SCOTUS Strikes Down Campaign Finance!

    Quote Originally Posted by Groucho View Post
    Here's what I'd like to see:

    1. The Supreme Court says, like they did today, that money is speech and that therefore you cannot stop people from spending money on campaigns.

    2. The Supreme Court holds that corporations are NOT people, and therefore restrictions on campaign spending by corporations (and unions and PACs and other such groups) is constitutional.

    The idea that a corporation is considered a "person" under the 14th amendment is the root of the problem. We need to get rid of that notion. I mean, the conservatives talk about the intent of the Founding Fathers. I doubt any of them thought that a Court would later decide that businesses are "people."

    But corporations are nothing more than people excercising their First Amendment guarantee of Freedom of Association, and the FA also guarantees those assemblies can interact in political discourse.

    How about ending the idea of a corporation as a taxable entity, and instead require that all profits be realized as dividends, and let the people earning the dividends decide if they wish to pool their money back into the corporations polical activism office to assist in the defense of the corporation against the ravages of government?

    Better yet, how about if we so limit the power of government that corporate entities no longer have an interest in influencing government actions?

    The US government isn't supposed to be as strong as it is, ya know.

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    Re: SCOTUS Strikes Down Campaign Finance!

    That's true -- you can't very well argue that a corporation isn't a "person" and then tax its income like it is one. Well, you can, but it's not consistent.
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    Re: SCOTUS Strikes Down Campaign Finance!

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    But corporations are nothing more than people excercising their First Amendment guarantee of Freedom of Association, and the FA also guarantees those assemblies can interact in political discourse.
    No, they aren't. They are businesses who seek to provide services and goods with the highest possible profit margin. To that end, not all of them care about the damage they do to people or the environment. We need the laws of government to protect the people from them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    How about ending the idea of a corporation as a taxable entity, and instead require that all profits be realized as dividends, and let the people earning the dividends decide if they wish to pool their money back into the corporations polical activism office to assist in the defense of the corporation against the ravages of government?
    I'm as concerned about the ravages of corporations as I am about ravages of government.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Better yet, how about if we so limit the power of government that corporate entities no longer have an interest in influencing government actions?
    Because then corporations would call all the shots in this country, and I have a vote in the government but I don't have a vote in all the corporations.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    The US government isn't supposed to be as strong as it is, ya know.
    And U.S. corporations aren't supposed to be more powerful than the government.

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    Re: SCOTUS Strikes Down Campaign Finance!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That's true -- you can't very well argue that a corporation isn't a "person" and then tax its income like it is one. Well, you can, but it's not consistent.
    Corporations benefit just as much from public roads, public transportation, and public law enforcement as individuals are, perhaps more so since they rely even more on such things to exist. Maybe they shouldn't be taxed on income but they should pay their share of taxes for public services they benefit from.

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    Re: SCOTUS Strikes Down Campaign Finance!

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    No, they aren't. They are businesses who seek to provide services and goods with the highest possible profit margin. To that end, not all of them care about the damage they do to people or the environment. We need the laws of government to protect the people from them.
    But you can say the same thing about people in general.

    I'm as concerned about the ravages of corporations as I am about ravages of government.

    Because then corporations would call all the shots in this country, and I have a vote in the government but I don't have a vote in all the corporations.
    Corporations would have no power if people don't buy their stuff.


    And U.S. corporations aren't supposed to be more powerful than the government.
    The people most certainly are.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by liblady View Post
    however, i believe neither should be able to contribute to candidates or political parties. i think all campaigns should be financed by the taxpayers, on an equal basis.
    And this is where the logic breaks down. We're not talking about direct funding of candidates, we're talking about independent advocacy.

    Do you think that aside from the taxpayer funding, nobody should be allowed to express their opinions on elections? Moveon shouldn't be allowed to email people to tell them to vote? The Sierra Club shouldn't be able to run ads urging people to think of the environment?

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Quite a rebuttal...

    Why bother going point by point, just dismiss it ad hominem without explanation. Saves time on having to formulate thoughts of your own...

    Okay, RightNYC, explain why corporations must be treated identically to natural persons in the political sphere.
    That's not the question that was at issue in this case, so I'm not sure why you're asking about it. The concept of corporate personhood has been around for hundreds of years. If you want to argue about that, start another thread.

    And what do we gain by having more expensive and elaborate political campaigns?
    I've asked this a half-dozen times and have yet to receive a response. Can you explain exactly how this decision will result in more expensive and more elaborate elections? Give me some examples of things that corporations will do now that they couldn't do before.
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