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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

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    Huh? Try putting all of those posts together with your victory lap post above.
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    Since when does a whole have less than the sum of its parts?
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    Nice try but that is a specious argument in regards to the subject.
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    Not at all. If I have individual rights, and then I try to do something else with a friend, suddenly we can't do what we separately would have done? Why?
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    I never said that. Another Strawman. Sheesh, how many times are you guys going to make up arguments?
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    So then corporations have all the rights of an individual. Thank you very much.
    How do you like it?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Do Unions and Corporations already do what the SC ruled on through 527's anyway, before the law was ruled on? Hell yeah. Only difference is that now they can't hide behind the donations to such groups.....


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    And you think this is any better? So now corporations can openly influence elections... and this is good for American citizens how? 527s should be outlawed as well. No one or no thing should be allowed to influence our elections beyond a vote. If you can't vote then you shouldn't have the ability to influence elections other than YOUR OWN VOICE. I believe this was the way our country was founded, it's the way our Constitution was written and it's the way it should be. Activist judges have changed those things by giving non-human entities a voice in our politics.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    And you think this is any better? So now corporations can openly influence elections... and this is good for American citizens how?
    Tell you what - if you think you can't handle hearing certain information, throw away your TV and don't read, just in case a corporate ad comes along. Don't tell me and the rest of the voters that we are too stupid to handle it.

    527s should be outlawed as well. No one or no thing should be allowed to influence our elections beyond a vote. If you can't vote then you shouldn't have the ability to influence elections other than YOUR OWN VOICE. I believe this was the way our country was founded, it's the way our Constitution was written and it's the way it should be. Activist judges have changed those things by giving non-human entities a voice in our politics.
    Except it wasn't. The First amendment clearly says NO laws abridging freedom of speech. That's it. Nothing about having to be a person, or vote, or any of that. You may think that's the way it ought to be, but it's not.
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    And you think this is any better? So now corporations can openly influence elections... and this is good for American citizens how? 527s should be outlawed as well. No one or no thing should be allowed to influence our elections beyond a vote. If you can't vote then you shouldn't have the ability to influence elections other than YOUR OWN VOICE. I believe this was the way our country was founded, it's the way our Constitution was written and it's the way it should be. Activist judges have changed those things by giving non-human entities a voice in our politics.

    The light of disclosure always is better than behind the scenes....See, the real rub, maybe not with you, but with many liberals, is that Unions, and 537's Center for American Progress won't be able to work together anymore to hide this. And as for the CfAP, I'd like to see also what role they played in garnering Obama's foreign donations to his campaign....He refuses to release that info, I'd bet it is exactly the thing you are afraid will happen with this ruling already happening on the demo ticket.


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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    it's so simple, it's almost rudimentary. The people have inalienable rights, these are rights from God, not Government. So in that vein, the Government doesn't decide who to grant rights to, it can't.


    Understand now?


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    Obviously you have a basic misunderstanding of the Constitution and how corporations are created. Which is why you can't disprove my statement.

    The Constitution doesn't grant any rights, it protects the right of citizens from the government.

    Corporations are granted license to operate (i.e. exist). The government can go to any corporation and revoke it's charter, unlike a citizen (i.e. person).

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    How do you like it?
    Well, from my pov, you just made yourself look pretty silly.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    The Constitution doesn't grant any rights, it protects the right of citizens from the government.
    Take this a step further and you'll have it.

    The government doesn't grant rights, it protects rights by limiting the power of government to abridge them.

    In the First Amendment, it limits the power of government to abridge speech. Period.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Tell you what - if you think you can't handle hearing certain information, throw away your TV and don't read, just in case a corporate ad comes along. Don't tell me and the rest of the voters that we are too stupid to handle it.
    Why would you include yourself in that group if you don't believe you belong in it. Are you a low info voter? Are you easily influenced by advertising? Don't be so hard on yourself.

    Except it wasn't. The First amendment clearly says NO laws abridging freedom of speech. That's it. Nothing about having to be a person, or vote, or any of that. You may think that's the way it ought to be, but it's not.
    "Amendment I (1791)
    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."

    Could you please tell us how many periods are in that paragraph and where those periods are located in the text?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The light of disclosure always is better than behind the scenes....See, the real rub, maybe not with you, but with many liberals, is that Unions, and 537's Center for American Progress won't be able to work together anymore to hide this. And as for the CfAP, I'd like to see also what role they played in garnering Obama's foreign donations to his campaign....He refuses to release that info, I'd bet it is exactly the thing you are afraid will happen with this ruling already happening on the demo ticket.


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    Well, at least you're moving forward in your position instead of desperately trying to hold fast to disproved notions. Bravo.

    You're right that shining a light on this is better than allowing it to stay in the shadows. This will affect some voters who are not ideologically entrenched in their party (those are few and far between though). But they are still being allowed to influence elections with money that the average American cannot compete with.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Take this a step further and you'll have it.

    The government doesn't grant rights, it protects rights by limiting the power of government to abridge them.

    In the First Amendment, it limits the power of government to abridge speech. Period.
    As we both know, our main disagreement comes on whether the Constitution is written for "The People of the United States of America" or for all things in the universe.

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