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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    You're living in a fantasy world or you're being disingenuous.

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    If no amount of corporate spending can change the outcome of an election, which is what you're saying above, then why do corporations want to and do spend lots of money on politics?
    Corporations have an interest and let their opinions be known and help fund candidates that they like. People still have to choose their congressman and support how they vote.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    it is an entity ALLOWED to exist by the government...

    Wow! You have a real misunderstanding of governments role in this country from this statement alone.


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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Promoting workers' rights often requires promoting political candidates.
    See right there, you've just had an epiphany without realizing it... I guess that actually means you didn't have the epiphany yet. Let me help you.

    Why? To bribe or blackmail our government to enact laws that benefit some at the expense of others? Can a Union vote in an election? Can a corporation? Why not? Why can't 10 people get together and vote as an organization? Why can they only vote independently?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by misterman View Post
    Yes. Apparently the people like incumbents.

    What do you have against majority rule in free elections?
    Because they are not free election. Districts have been jerrymandered and entities flood elections with money.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    See right there, you've just had an epiphany without realizing it... I guess that actually means you didn't have the epiphany yet. Let me help you.

    Why? To bribe or blackmail our government to enact laws that benefit some at the expense of others? Can a Union vote in an election? Can a corporation? Why not? Why can't 10 people get together and vote as an organization? Why can they only vote independently?

    Do Unions and Corporations already do what the SC ruled on through 527's anyway, before the law was ruled on? Hell yeah. Only difference is that now they can't hide behind the donations to such groups.....


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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    So then corporations have all the rights of an individual. Thank you very much.
    Huh? Try putting all of those posts together with your victory lap post above.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Wow! You have a real misunderstanding of governments role in this country from this statement alone.


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    So disprove my statement that you quoted. I'll wait.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    See right there, you've just had an epiphany without realizing it... I guess that actually means you didn't have the epiphany yet. Let me help you.
    Gee, thanks. You don't need to worry about me though, I know a little about union political activities, firsthand.

    Why? To bribe or blackmail our government to enact laws that benefit some at the expense of others?
    No. How about workplace safety laws? Union election laws? Federal benefits laws that affect union contracts?

    Can a Union vote in an election? Can a corporation? Why not? Why can't 10 people get together and vote as an organization? Why can they only vote independently?
    Why does this matter? What's wrong with a union saying "vote for this guy, he's good for union workers?"
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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Because they are not free election. Districts have been jerrymandered and entities flood elections with money.
    So here's a crazy idea - let's fix gerrymandering. Sure beats giving the government the authority to decide certain messages are wrong and shouldn't be heard by the voters.

    As for flooding with money - sorry, but that doesn't make it not a free election.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    So disprove my statement that you quoted. I'll wait.

    it's so simple, it's almost rudimentary. The people have inalienable rights, these are rights from God, not Government. So in that vein, the Government doesn't decide who to grant rights to, it can't.


    Understand now?


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