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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    No where in the constitution are corporations allowed to finance campaigns for elective office.
    More importantly, NOWHERE in the Constitution are people denied their freedom to associate...

    ...oh, wait, the First Amendment says the people HAVE the freedom to associate, and they have the freedom to petition their government, and it also says that Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech.

    Would you just look at that? Isn't it amazing? YOU mentioned the Constitution, and it got up and slapped YOU in the face.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Oh.

    So, you're okay with the thought that people who own companies should be denied their freedom of speech, but you're going to whine the moon out of the sky if goonions were denied that freedom.

    Hypocrite.
    Sorry, I misread the question. I thought you were asking if I'd scream as loud if unions were allowed to pump money into campaign ads. My bad.

    I don't think unions should have a voice in politics either. They are organizations created to promote workers rights not to promote political candidates.

    I think people should "pitch in" (and when I use the word, what I mean is a "contribution", which, if you ever look the word up, you'll see that it embodies the word "voluntary". You use it as a euphemism to hide your desire for a TAX.) whatever they want to, as much as they want to, to only those candidates they want to support.
    In a perfect world that would be preferable but in the real world, it doesn't work so well.

    That's called "freedom". It's an American thing, I don't think you'll understand.
    I don't think you actually understand it.

    So, you're a socialist.
    So you now you're going to expose your lack of intellectual honesty or your ignorance. Let's see which.

    Since you've just finished insisting people pay a tax that will go to fund candidates they do not approve of, you're clearly not a libertarian,
    Ignorance.

    something further proven by your desire to deny people who own companies their freedom to engage in political discourse.
    Intellectual dishonesty. Wow, you covered them both.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, the voters are stupid because they chose Obama.

    That corporations, which represent people, are allowed to represent those people by buying advertising, is a guaranteed First Amendment freedom.
    since when do corporations represent people for political purposes? i've never seen a charter that details that.

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    These are the same liberals who forgot how Iraq attacked us on 9/11.


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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    Not at all. If I have individual rights, and then I try to do something else with a friend, suddenly we can't do what we separately would have done? Why?
    I never said that. Another Strawman. Sheesh, how many times are you guys going to make up arguments?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by phattonez View Post
    No. The principle still holds. We vote out those who don't vote the way we want. No amount of corporate spending can change that.
    You're living in a fantasy world or you're being disingenuous.

    Reelection Rates Over the Years | OpenSecrets

    If no amount of corporate spending can change the outcome of an election, which is what you're saying above, then why do corporations want to and do spend lots of money on politics?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    No, the voters are stupid because they chose Obama.

    That corporations, which represent people, are allowed to represent those people by buying advertising, is a guaranteed First Amendment freedom.
    Corporations do NOT represent people, they represent corporate interests. You really are either completely hoodwinked or you're simply disingenuous, like any corporatist is when called out.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I don't think unions should have a voice in politics either. They are organizations created to promote workers rights not to promote political candidates.
    Promoting workers' rights often requires promoting political candidates.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    You're living in a fantasy world or you're being disingenuous.

    Reelection Rates Over the Years | OpenSecrets
    Yes. Apparently the people like incumbents.

    What do you have against majority rule in free elections?

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    More importantly, NOWHERE in the Constitution are people denied their freedom to associate...

    ...oh, wait, the First Amendment says the people HAVE the freedom to associate, and they have the freedom to petition their government, and it also says that Congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech.

    Would you just look at that? Isn't it amazing? YOU mentioned the Constitution, and it got up and slapped YOU in the face.
    Your silly tactics won't prove nor improve your position.
    A corporation is not an assembly, it is an entity ALLOWED to exist by the government, subject to rules which people are not subject to, they are taxed differently than people, their purpose is different than people, they are not mentioned in the Constitution because they are not granted protections that the people are (at least not until the SCOTUS started giving them protections almost 100 years AFTER the Constitution was written) because they are not people.

    But keep on with your story telling, it is amusing.

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    Re: Supreme Court Overturns Limits on Corporate Spending in Political Campaigns

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    I never said that. Another Strawman. Sheesh, how many times are you guys going to make up arguments?
    So then corporations have all the rights of an individual. Thank you very much.

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