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    Re: UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The climate has changed since the earth came into existence.

    At one time it was very tropical, now it isn't.
    It may go back that way, it may not.

    Let's not always pretend it's some disastrous event, especially if it has happened before.
    Oh there is no denying that and I agree, however one has to ask the question.. Considering the rate of decline of glaciers and similar, is that normal or is it not? I say it is not based on the historical evidence I have seen. But that does not change the fact that the deniers are sticking their heads in the sand and claiming it is "normal" and wont hurt us. Its like a drug addict that refuses to admit that he or she has a problem.

    It does not change the fact that we have to deal with the disappearance of the glaciers one way or another. Billions of people are dependent on them for their clean drinking water, what to do about that? How about the insane weather patterns we have seen the last few months, setting record after record. Yes that is part of global warming too.

    We should be doing something to possibly slow the decline if we could and at worst have plans in place to deal with the disasters for billions of people that is on the way.
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    Re: UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Oh there is no denying that and I agree, however one has to ask the question.. Considering the rate of decline of glaciers and similar, is that normal or is it not? I say it is not based on the historical evidence I have seen. But that does not change the fact that the deniers are sticking their heads in the sand and claiming it is "normal" and wont hurt us. Its like a drug addict that refuses to admit that he or she has a problem.
    Could be normal, but maybe it isn't.

    Sometimes there is no normal, in one epoch of time they may not have existed at all, at another they may have been 10x larger.


    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    It does not change the fact that we have to deal with the disappearance of the glaciers one way or another. Billions of people are dependent on them for their clean drinking water, what to do about that? How about the insane weather patterns we have seen the last few months, setting record after record. Yes that is part of global warming too.
    They may have move to where the water is, don't know what else to tell them.

    Recorded history of weather has been very short compared to the existence of humans.
    It could be normal, it may not be.

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    We should be doing something to possibly slow the decline if we could and at worst have plans in place to deal with the disasters for billions of people that is on the way.
    We don't really know if there will be disasters or not.

    Personally, I've become so numb to all the disaster predictions of the past few years.
    Like the swine flu scare that wasn't anything, I was indifferent to it because I couldn't do anything to realistically avoid it.
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    Re: UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning

    I heard the correct year was 2350, not 2035.
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    Re: UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    They may have move to where the water is, don't know what else to tell them.
    And where is that? There are hundreds of millions of people who directly get their water from the Himalayas, both for drinking and for crops. If we add into the picture the rest of the sub continent that is totally dependent on the rivers coming from the Himalayas for water and irrigation, then were exactly do those 1+ billion people go?

    How about Chile? A lot of their water comes from the Andes mountains and its glaciers. Ups no more.. bugger, oh well, they can just move where?

    It is an utter simplistic and arrogant attitude to say "they have to move to where the water is". you do know that clean water is the nr 1 issue for almost every country on the planet right?

    Recorded history of weather has been very short compared to the existence of humans.
    It could be normal, it may not be.
    Actually that is incorrect. Through the icecores of Greenland we are able to go back hundreds of thousands of years to see both temperature and other things. We can accurately say when there was ice ages and when the planet heated up and often why it heated up or cooled down. The difference now is human activity, and its impact on the climate. Now we can disagree on that, but what we can not ignore is that the climate is changing and we have to live with the consequences of this. And ignoring the issue with glaciers is short-sighted and stupid since they are a very important part of human life in many parts of the world. Ignoring the fact that Australia and parts of Africa are in a decade long almost drought, that deserts are eating up land that once could be used to grow food that is very much needed. And it of course does not help that Brazil is clearing the one thing that might help.. the rain forest.. but hey we can all discuss this till we are green in the face and then live with the consequences of having to relocate 1+ billion people to your town and cities.. would you like that?

    We don't really know if there will be disasters or not.
    Yes we do, we can see it going on daily. There are droughts, floods, fires, and other disasters. I have seen it around me, having the first 2 months of the rainy season here produce zero rain and then having the next month produce so much rain that people were killed due to flash floods. That is not normal.

    Personally, I've become so numb to all the disaster predictions of the past few years.
    I have not, since they have been pretty accurate in their over all predictions. They predicted erratic weather patterns and guess what.. they came.

    Like the swine flu scare that wasn't anything, I was indifferent to it because I couldn't do anything to realistically avoid it.
    Swine flu was something, it killed lots of people and still does. Ignoring it would have cost even more lives. If the flu virus had mutated then it could have been far far worse.. we can count lucky stars it did not.
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    Re: UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I heard the correct year was 2350, not 2035.
    And that is unrealistic. Just look at the pictures out there of glaciers around the world taken 40 years ago and now.. they are considerably smaller if there at all.
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    Re: UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Just look at the pictures out there of glaciers around the world taken 40 years ago and now...
    What would a picture of glaciers then and now.....400 years ago look like...what do you think you'd see then?
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    Re: UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    And that is unrealistic. Just look at the pictures out there of glaciers around the world taken 40 years ago and now.. they are considerably smaller if there at all.
    Well that's what I read somewhere is what the UN guy said.
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    Re: UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning

    Quote Originally Posted by Charles Martel View Post
    What would a picture of glaciers then and now.....400 years ago look like...what do you think you'd see then?
    Considering we knew the planet was in a mini ice age during that period then the glaciers would more than likely have been larger.

    Not the point though, we can see drastic changes in half a century and considering even the anti-climate change people agree that climate changes are long term not suddenly (unless there is outside factors), then how do you explain it?
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    Re: UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Considering we knew the planet was in a mini ice age during that period then the glaciers would more than likely have been larger.
    Really? So...coming out of that mini ice age, we'd expect temps to rise and thus...glaciers to melt...correct?

    then how do you explain it?
    Easy......I get three of four whack job politicians and a few undertalented "scientists" and make some eye popping claim. Convince everyone it's man made......win some Nobels......make lots of money. Why do I need to explain it....when you libs have already declared it man made carbon emissions that is the cause?

    I could give you several real explanations. Ozone. Obama's hot air polluting the atmosphere. Congress' health care debacle that is the stench equal of methane gas emitted by your common Yeti.

    You Sir...cannot prove without doubt that these glaciers melting is the result of man's activity on this planet. And until you can, it's not up to me to explain, it's up to me to stop all the bs legislation and burdenous taxes pretedending as if we're certain this is man made.

    You cannot prove man made global warming....Hugo.
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    Re: UN climate chief admits mistake on Himalayan glaciers warning

    IMO, another example of how some persons attempted to make something out of nothing.

    My personal position on climate change is that it's going happen no matter what we do. We can’t affect it, so we have to adapt to it.
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