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    Re: Obama tells Senate not to 'jam' through healthcare plan

    the nuclear option can't be used to enact social legislation, it can only be used for budgetary quick fixes that are temporary in nature

    most of what obamacare contemplates can't be carried by the emergency spending allowances afforded by reconciliation---pre existing conditions, mandates on individuals to buy, wellness and prevention, formation of boards and agencies...

    Ezra Klein - The problems with budget reconciliation

    RealClearPolitics - 'Reconciliation' to Pass Health Bill Won't Work

    furthermore, any pieces passed via reconciliation must be reupped very frequently, the party would find itself within 6 months fighting this entire bloody battle all over

    finally, any attempt to cram thru massive society-wide reform via anything other than normal parliamentary procedure will be seen as a repugnantly partisan power play

    in short, reconciliation lacks political legitimacy

    in our political climate, any attempt to go there will almost result in violence

    reconciliation, in this context, is and always has been pure bluff

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    Re: Obama tells Senate not to 'jam' through healthcare plan

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Because... They don't really count?

    We shouldn't concern ourselves with infants not born in the U.S.? Is that your point?
    Yes, that's it EXACTLY...

    No, it's that illegal's don't have the same standards of healthcare, pre-natal and post natal that citizens do.
    Climate, changes. It takes a particularly uneducated population to buy into the idea that it's their fault climate is changing and further political solutions can fix it.



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    Re: Obama tells Senate not to 'jam' through healthcare plan

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Says who? People with cadillac plans?

    When attempting to 'talk the truth', best not to do so from your ass.
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    Re: Obama tells Senate not to 'jam' through healthcare plan

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    What the hell does Fox have to do with anything I said? You're going on all sorts of tangents here.
    My bad -- I got two threads confused.

    My original point was that if you peel back the layers and read both reports -- not everything is as rosy as you suggested.

    Yes, healthy people and people with good health care are happy...

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    Re: Obama tells Senate not to 'jam' through healthcare plan

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    No, it's that illegal's don't have the same standards of healthcare, pre-natal and post natal that citizens do.
    Are you saying because the are reluctant to see a doctor? Or deliver in public hospitals?

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    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    Unlike other countries, the United States actually factors premature babies into the infant mortality rate.

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    Re: Obama tells Senate not to 'jam' through healthcare plan

    on the topic of reconciliation, the nuclear option, this interview was fascinating

    it pits somewhat mature liberal chris matthews vs extremist alan grayson on the question of fantasy vs reality

    RealClearPolitics - Video - Matthews To Grayson: Reconciliation Will Not Work With Senate

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