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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Since there's far too many posts to thank I want to say good job to jallman. Best defense and explanation of all the various issues regarding Palin and Alaska that I've seen. It really highlights the difference between a person that's lived there and really taken the time to dig deep and those that just want to go to a liberal blog site and trust that they got all the information for them.
    Well thank you, Zyph. You hit a nail right on the head with the "liberal blog site" bit. 99% of the crap I hear regurgitated against Palin comes, specifically, from the mudflats blog. The lady who writes it self styles herself as an east coast muckraker transplanted to Alaska. It's more of a gossip column than anything else and she even states as much. The media has done wonders for her site, though...having grabbed many of her stories and reported them as news.

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Palin is an asset to the country.
    And my nuts are roses.

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    I really don't get why you have such an admiration of somebody who completely failed on the country wide political landscape. Whether Palin is an asset to Alaska, that is for you to decide. The country as a whole decided she shouldn't be anywhere near the White House for a reason.
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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    And my nuts are roses.

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    I really don't get why you have such an admiration of somebody who completely failed on the country wide political landscape. Whether Palin is an asset to Alaska, that is for you to decide. The country as a whole decided she shouldn't be anywhere near the White House for a reason.
    We'll see what happens in time. IF you will recall, she wasn't the lead on that ticket and the campaign was not hers to run. The country decided against McCain/Palin.

    I am not a prognosticator so I have no idea what they would decide on a Palin/____ ticket in another 8 years or so.

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    We'll see what happens in time. IF you will recall, she wasn't the lead on that ticket and the campaign was not hers to run. The country decided against McCain/Palin.

    I am not a prognosticator so I have no idea what they would decide on a Palin/____ ticket in another 8 years or so.
    I think it is essential for you to realize that since the 2000 election, the role of the Vice President has been greatly expanded in the eyes of the voters. I think if Independent voters(the ones who made the difference in 2008) had seen any merit in what Palin was bringing to the table they would have taken her regardless of who else was on the ticket or where they were placed. Maybe it was because voters were in part voting against the Republican party and Bush as a whole.

    We'll have to see in 2012 though if the world doesn't end by then.

    By the way, glad to see you again sugarbear.
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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    By the way, glad to see you again sugarbear.
    Glad to see you, too, cocoa.

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I usually agree with you my friend.Can you elaborate?
    Fiscal conservatives, Libertarian conservatives, National Security-oriented
    Social conservatives...there are different factions of the Republican party.

    Some are pro-choice, some smoke pot.

    I just think they are a lot more varied than some people think.

    And then there are these guys :
    Republican Party Animals - The Drinking, Smoking, Cussing Wing of the GOP | Facebook

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Well for one, there is an ACTUAL conservative...you know, one that is both Social AND Fiscal. Not someone who just cares about one and doesn't give a flip about the other.

    Then there is you, who is militarily conservative, socially conservative, and fiscally a BIG GOVERNMENT, BIG SPENDING liberal and governmentally a BIG GOVERNMENT EXPANSION, BIG GOVERNMENT POWER liberal.

    So....I guess based on your definition....you're a RINO my left wing friend.

    In regards to Palin, while she was useful for a national election and would've been a much bigger impact for him if he didn't use horrible political strategy, I'm unsure how useful she'd be in his state.
    I agree with you. but you do have fiscal Conservatives and social liberals or vice versa and nothing in between.........

    I consider myself a very strong fiscal and social conservative and I stand by that.......If you say I am a Rino becasue I believe in spending how ever much money is need to keep a strong military and defense then so be it but I ddon't agree with you..........

    Because I voted for Bush my left wing friend does not make me a RINO unlike you I considered the alternatives in Gore and Kerry and the decision was easy.........I guess like you I could have voted for Ron Paul but to me that was just another vote for Kerry...........

    You are young and wet behind the ears...When you get a little older, mature and settle down I believe you might see what a real conservative is..........
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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by Porchev View Post
    Fiscal conservatives, Libertarian conservatives, National Security-oriented
    Social conservatives...there are different factions of the Republican party.

    Some are pro-choice, some smoke pot.

    I just think they are a lot more varied than some people think.

    And then there are these guys :
    Republican Party Animals - The Drinking, Smoking, Cussing Wing of the GOP | Facebook
    You forgot RINOs..I believe that there are degrees of conservatives but don't believe thre is a such thing as a liberal conservative which to me is a oxymoron


    Anyhow its a little confusing and I might of had one to many scotch on the rocks tonight......
    "God Bless Our Troops in Harms Way."

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    I agree with you. but you do have fiscal Conservatives and social liberals or vice versa and nothing in between.........

    I consider myself a very strong fiscal and social conservative and I stand by that.......If you say I am a Rino becasue I believe in spending how ever much money is need to keep a strong military and defense then so be it but I ddon't agree with you..........

    Because I voted for Bush my left wing friend does not make me a RINO unlike you I considered the alternatives in Gore and Kerry and the decision was easy.........I guess like you I could have voted for Ron Paul but to me that was just another vote for Kerry...........

    You are young and wet behind the ears...When you get a little older, mature and settle down I believe you might see what a real conservative is..........
    Its okay my left wing friend, I understand you care less about principles and integrity and more about just voting for the guy with the (R) next to the name and are in favor of big government and big spending because you're scared. It comes with age perhaps that you no longer realize what a real conservative is..........

    I agree though, you can have your fiscal conservative, social liberal types (ala libertarians) or your social conservative, fiscally liberal types (ala neo-cons) and both are "conservative" to a point, but seem more like something You'd call a RINO my left wing friend.

    Mind you, Bush fell in the later category

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    You forgot RINOs..I believe that there are degrees of conservatives but don't believe thre is a such thing as a liberal conservative which to me is a oxymoron

    Anyhow its a little confusing and I might of had one to many scotch on the rocks tonight......
    Ah, good taste in liquor though I tend more towards the Bourbon or Canadian side of my whisky derivatives

    And i think a liberal conservative is just about impossible, a liberal republican however could be potentially possible

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