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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

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    Is that a problem, if she is?
    It's not a problem, I'm just curious.

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    And just where have you been, young lady?
    Working on a catalog. Unfortunately, it wasn't a BIG catalog, but as always, it's very interesting work. Should be more work in a month or so. *keeping fingers crossed*

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Her record in Alaska shows her to be a "constituent before idealogy" politician and her record of fighting corruption is second to none. Despite the attempts to characterize her as an "idiot", she is actually a very bright woman with an ability to connect with the average American.
    Except when she abused when she power of her office, put wasilla into debt, supported the bridge to nowhere and quit the oil board only so she could launch her political campaign. Whats her record on fighting corruption again?

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    Except when she abused when she power of her office,
    Except that she never did.

    put wasilla into debt,
    In exchange for long-term gain...

    supported the bridge to nowhere
    The "bridge to nowhere" concept is a total media hype and nice soundbyte but it is anything but a bridge to nowhere.

    and quit the oil board only so she could launch her political campaign.
    Most every politician quits something to move on to campaigning. I don't see why this is such a big deal. Oh wait, yes I do...because it's Palin Derangement isn't logical.

    Whats her record on fighting corruption again?
    Well, let's see...

    1) Told the oil companies to shove it when she sold off their jet gifted to the previous governor.

    2) Eventually got Wooten off the patrol.

    3) Aided in ending Senator Stevens scandalous affair with big oil.

    4) Toppled the Murkowsky empire by taking down Frank Murkowsky in the primary.

    5) Against the insistent of special interest groups and her own party, appointed excellent supreme court judges that went against her own personal idealogy.

    Should we keep going or do you have enough to chew on for a little while?

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Except that she never did.
    except that the branchflower investigation deemed she did

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    In exchange for long-term gain...
    when is this gain going to start happening? It didnt happen when she left and not while she was governor. She built a useless stadium that isnt being used costing taxpayers millions. She spent lots of money redecorating her office on the taxpayers dime.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The "bridge to nowhere" concept is a total media hype and nice soundbyte but it is anything but a bridge to nowhere.
    Youre right millions on a bridge for a tiny town that already had access off the island. She then kept the money earmarked for it. She had no problem taking the pork.
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Most every politician quits something to move on to campaigning. I don't see why this is such a big deal. Oh wait, yes I do...because it's Palin Derangement isn't logical.
    She just has a tendency to quit midstride. Hero worship aside. She comes across completely self centered. When she was pregnanrt with the youngest, after knowing her baby had downs syndrome, her water broke during a speech instead of going to the local hospital she boarded a plane to fly home. Talk about responsible.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Well, let's see...

    1) Told the oil companies to shove it when she sold off their jet gifted to the previous governor.
    Wasnt ever the oil company's jet. Murkowski purchased it himself and she sold it when the plane became unpopular. She lost money when she sold it after lying about it selling on ebay.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    2) Eventually got Wooten off the patrol.
    And was investigated for abuse of power by a bipartisan state legislature because of a nasty divorce Wooten had with her sister. Personally had her husband use the state office to harrass state employees. Then fired the popular police commissioner because she couldnt have her way. Replaced him with a corrupt sob who ended up having to resign. Wooten was never fired. He's still an alaska state trooper.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    3) Aided in ending Senator Stevens scandalous affair with big oil.
    No him being indicted did that. She served as director of Stevens 527 and only turned her back when she knew he was going down. Stevens did campaign ads for her.

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    4) Toppled the Murkowsky empire by taking down Frank Murkowsky in the primary.
    How exactly is her fullfilling her own ambition fighting corruption?

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    5) Against the insistent of special interest groups and her own party, appointed excellent supreme court judges that went against her own personal idealogy.
    how is that fighting corruption? She's supposed to pick impartial judges. She sung a different tune when she was running for vp.
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    Should we keep going or do you have enough to chew on for a little while?
    Yeah you should considering most of your information was wrong.

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    I think Palin is going to hurt McCain's chances, as she did during his presidential run against Obama. Right now there are 2 Republicans ready to challenge him in a primary, Chris Simcox, and Jim Deakin, with JD Hayworth also considering a run. Whoever wins will face a tough battle against Napolitano, if she decides to leave Obama's cabinet and run for the Democrats. McCain doesn't need an idiot on his side this time. He should deep six Palin as fast as he can. Without her, he can hold the seat, but with her, he stands a better than even chance of losing, if not in the primary, then in the election itself.
    What you're ignoring is that the type of people who would vote for Hayworth are exactly the same type of people who are the most likely to be swayed by Palin's campaigning.

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by PogueMoran View Post
    except that the branchflower investigation deemed she did
    You might need to show proof of wrong-doing because the last reliable tally was that 15 of 16 investigations showed that she broke no laws and the 16th was still out. So unless you are privy to some information no one else is, you are flat wrong on this count.

    when is this gain going to start happening? It didnt happen when she left and not while she was governor. She built a useless stadium that isnt being used costing taxpayers millions. She spent lots of money redecorating her office on the taxpayers dime.
    Again, you are going to need to show some numbers and citations because the stadium isn't even a stadium. It's an arena for hockey and other sports. The arena itself isn't the issue that costed money; the issue was a bad surveying job that left a land deal in dispute and costed millions more than the original projection.

    I don't see how that's really her fault, specifically. If you can come up with some numbers and citations showing that it is, I would love to see them.

    Youre right millions on a bridge for a tiny town that already had access off the island. She then kept the money earmarked for it. She had no problem taking the pork.
    Umm, you do realize, brainchild that you pretend to be, that the "Bridge to Nowhere" is a label slapped on at least 4 different bridges in Alaska. I assume you are talking about the Gravina Island bridge that is only of note because its funding was already legislatively tied to the Knik Arm bridge prior to Palin taking office. The Knik Arm bridge basically connects the largest population center in Alaska with the 3rd and 4th largest population centers by making the hour and half commute around the Cook Inlet a mere 20 minute trip across it.

    And now back to the "stadium"...the arena was built in preparation of this connection of the population centers and moving the capital from Juneau, where no one has access to the capital while the legislature is in session without taking expensive flights, to the Matsu Valley where it would be more centrally located to the people.

    I expect that if you are going to raise issue with a point, you would at least know some of the history...hell...any of the history behind the points you raise.

    You are flat wrong on all counts, sparky.

    She just has a tendency to quit midstride. Hero worship aside. She comes across completely self centered. When she was pregnanrt with the youngest, after knowing her baby had downs syndrome, her water broke during a speech instead of going to the local hospital she boarded a plane to fly home. Talk about responsible.
    What the hell did any of that have to do with her tenure on the oil board and why she resigned to run for office? Anything? Anything at all?

    I take it you need familiarize yourself with the term "red herring" because that's all any of what you related was. Irrelevant bull**** to smokescreen your surface knowledge of the issue and hide the fact that you don't know what the hell you are blathering on about.

    You need to read more than the dust jacket if you want to discuss the book, pal.

    Wasnt ever the oil company's jet. Murkowski purchased it himself and she sold it when the plane became unpopular. She lost money when she sold it after lying about it selling on ebay.
    How the hell do you think he afforded to pay for the ****ing jet? And I don't care if she lost every dime of it by selling it for scrap. That jet was symbolic, to Alaskans, of a group that was so brazenly corrupt that they openly called themselves The Corrupt Bastards Club.

    It was always unpopular. And selling the jet was her very first act as governor. Do you know anything...anything...about the issue or are you just a hack that is the equivalent of a dust jacket name dropper?

    And was investigated for abuse of power by a bipartisan state legislature because of a nasty divorce Wooten had with her sister. Personally had her husband use the state office to harrass state employees. Then fired the popular police commissioner because she couldnt have her way. Replaced him with a corrupt sob who ended up having to resign. Wooten was never fired. He's still an alaska state trooper.
    Wooten was placed on administrative leave for a period. He is no longer a trooper. He had a series of reprimands on the force and several personal indiscretions. In a finding released by both Wooten and his union:

    The record clearly indicates a serious and concentrated pattern of unacceptable and at times, illegal activity occurring over a lengthy period, which establishes a course of conduct totally at odds with the ethics of our profession," Col. Julia Grimes, then head of Alaska State Troopers, wrote in March 1, 2006,
    Monegan got fired, not for specifically refusing to fire Wooten, but for doing something much, much worse: he held several press conferences outside the direction of his direct superior: the office of the governor. Monegan served no one but himself in trying to undermine the authority of his superior by making it a public scandal when it was clear he was going to be reprimanded for insubordination.

    No him being indicted did that. She served as director of Stevens 527 and only turned her back when she knew he was going down. Stevens did campaign ads for her.

    Oh my ****ing god...you don't know a damned thing about any of this, do you? All you have is fables and bull**** to spew because you really have no clue when it comes to this issue.

    Yeah, he campaigned for her when she beat out Murkowski in the primary because they are the same party affiliation and it was better than Tony Knowles. But in the primary, he campaigned for Murkowski. Why? Because when she worked on the oil board, she sided with Commissioner Tom Irwin when he presented the idea that Murkowski's closed door meetings with the Big Three had resulted in illegal contracts poised to make the pipeline a huge cost for Alaskans with very little return. When Murkowski fired him, she went public with it AND blew the whistle on the GOP Commissioner (Randy Reudrich) for failing to publically disclose the dealings, quit the board, and subsequently campaigned on the idea of ending the era of being cozy with Big Oil.

    Following her election, several scandals broke as a result of other investigations that came about because of her whistle blowing. Notably, the VECO scandal and then the probe into the bribes the oil companies made to key legislature members to vote into law the illegal tax deals Murkowski had made.

    That's the cliff notes version but it's far more accurate than the shallow horse**** you tried to pass off.

    How exactly is her fullfilling her own ambition fighting corruption?
    First of all, you're gonna have to prove somehow, some way that her motives were to fulfill her ambition. Because, clearly, the corruption was present, it isn't even debatable, and she was pivotal in bringing a big chunk of it to an end.

    The pipeline, which was center to the whole corruption issue, was put back out for competitive bidding as a result of Sarah Palin's dedication to fighting the corruption inherent in her own party.

    how is that fighting corruption? She's supposed to pick impartial judges. She sung a different tune when she was running for vp.
    It isn't fighting corruption, per se, but it is taking a stand even though it went against her establishment. And no, she did not "sing a different tune" when running for VP. She made no indication that her philosophy of governing was going to suddenly shift to one of forced pro-life policies and social conservativism.

    Yeah you should considering most of your information was wrong.
    Yeah, says the guy who couldn't get any deeper in his analysis than "Urrrggg, palin BAAAAAAAD"


    You might want to brush up on a subject before you try to take me on. Maybe you could start by finding me one investigation where she was found guilty of illegal activity and start from there...hmmm?

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

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    The average American has an IQ of only 100.
    By definition, that's always true. So what?
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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You might need to show proof of wrong-doing because the last reliable tally was that 15 of 16 investigations showed that she broke no laws and the 16th was still out. So unless you are privy to some information no one else is, you are flat wrong on this count.
    And you need to stop regurgitating talking points and actually do research. The branchflower investigation stated: Governor Sarah Palin abused her power as Governor in that her conduct violated AS 39.52.110(a) of the Ethics Act. Palin wrongfully allowed her husband, Todd Palin, to use state resources to pursue having Trooper Wooten fired, stating that "Palin knowingly permitted a situation to continue where impermissible pressure was placed on several subordinates in order to advance a personal agenda..."

    There were no 16 investigations. You obviously don't know the difference between an investigation and a complaint. Complaint one was about the Monegan firing to which the Branchflower investigation found that she violated the State Ethics Act. That's complaint 1 you got wrong.

    One of the complaints was how she charged the state when her children traveled with her. She ended up reimbursing the state.

    While she was governor she refused to stay in Juneau and instead charged the state as if she was traveling.

    Most of the complaints came from actual constituents of hers in Alaska. Many were dismissed for lacking standing.

    Two complaints filed by McLeod alleged two of Palin's top aides misused their official positions for Palin's personal and political gain. The complaints said then-press secretary Bill McAllister and Kris Perry -- director of the governor's Anchorage office -- worked on state time to benefit Palin's interests during and after her vice presidential quest. Pending.

    Contends Palin is misusing the governor's office for personal gain by securing unwarranted benefits and receiving improper gifts through the Alaska Fund Trust. The fund was recently established by supporters to help Palin pay off more than $500,000 in legal debts stemming from other ethics complaints, including troopergate. Complaint filed by Eagle River resident, Kim Chatman. Pending.

    Two more were filed before she quit. Most of the complaints have to do with her staff. Kinda normal but she was found to have abused her office in the Branchflower investigation.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Again, you are going to need to show some numbers and citations because the stadium isn't even a stadium. It's an arena for hockey and other sports. The arena itself isn't the issue that costed money; the issue was a bad surveying job that left a land deal in dispute and costed millions more than the original projection.
    Sports arena, stadium same difference. A stadium by definition is a sports arena.

    The last two complaints are key you know the ones you missed. You know the ones that include her possibly steering the contract to Spenard Building Supplies in exchange for materials for her home.

    The 12.5 million dollar sports complex that isn't turning a profit. 1.3 million in delays is nothing compared to the 12.5 million in actual cost.

    When she entered office the city had zero debt she left it with 22 million.


    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I don't see how that's really her fault, specifically. If you can come up with some numbers and citations showing that it is, I would love to see them.
    Numbers for the sports arena Palin's Hockey Rink Leads To Legal Trouble in Town She Led - WSJ.com

    $50,000 redecorating her office
    Sarah Palin - Salon.com




    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Umm, you do realize, brainchild that you pretend to be, that the "Bridge to Nowhere" is a label slapped on at least 4 different bridges in Alaska. I assume you are talking about the Gravina Island bridge that is only of note because its funding was already legislatively tied to the Knik Arm bridge prior to Palin taking office. The Knik Arm bridge basically connects the largest population center in Alaska with the 3rd and 4th largest population centers by making the hour and half commute around the Cook Inlet a mere 20 minute trip across it.
    4 different bridges? Interesting considering everytime I've heard it talked about only refers to the Gravina Island bridge maybe you got some bad intel. Palin campaigned on getting the Gravina Island bridge built she was joined in support by her buddy Ted Stevens and Don Young.



    The gravina island bridge would have connected the island population 50 to the town of Ketchikan population 7000. It was the gravina island bridge which she campaigned for while holding the tshirt above, referencing the buzzword Bridge to Nowhere with the zipcode for Ketchikan. The bridge to nowhere is in reference to the Gravina Island bridge. Try not to pretend to know what you're talking about. The fact is she campaigned for that bridge and then when it became unpopular she distanced herself. She then took the money appropriated for it. All 223 million of it.

    Palin flip-flopped on 'Bridge to Nowhere' funds | McClatchy

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    And now back to the "stadium"...the arena was built in preparation of this connection of the population centers and moving the capital from Juneau, where no one has access to the capital while the legislature is in session without taking expensive flights, to the Matsu Valley where it would be more centrally located to the people.

    I expect that if you are going to raise issue with a point, you would at least know some of the history...hell...any of the history behind the points you raise.

    You are flat wrong on all counts, sparky.
    Nope. You said the oil companies gave Frank the plane that was wrong. Wooten was never fired. Most of the information you posted previously was a puff piece built on incorrect information. The sports arena was a waste of money and became controversial.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    What the hell did any of that have to do with her tenure on the oil board and why she resigned to run for office? Anything? Anything at all?
    She left the board to run for office not because "she had integrity".

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I take it you need familiarize yourself with the term "red herring" because that's all any of what you related was. Irrelevant bull**** to smokescreen your surface knowledge of the issue and hide the fact that you don't know what the hell you are blathering on about.
    So instead of addressing the points raised you just want to pooh pooh out nothing. That's great jall we know you bow at her alter but you don't need to make it obvious. You've fudged many of the facts in your previous post which shows you have no idea what you speak of and instead just spout off talking points.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You need to read more than the dust jacket if you want to discuss the book, pal.
    Again not addressing my points.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    How the hell do you think he afforded to pay for the ****ing jet? And I don't care if she lost every dime of it by selling it for scrap. That jet was symbolic, to Alaskans, of a group that was so brazenly corrupt that they openly called themselves The Corrupt Bastards Club.
    Corrupt bastards club that she was in league with. She was in good with Stevens he campaigned for her she was director of his 527. He paid for it with state money not oil company money. Again you said it was the oil company's jet. That was a lie. Oh so now you want to backtrack and claim you meant that symbolically. Ridiculous.
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It was always unpopular. And selling the jet was her very first act as governor. Do you know anything...anything...about the issue or are you just a hack that is the equivalent of a dust jacket name dropper?
    Yeah the plane she said she sold on Ebay during the campaign. Its obvious that was a lie wasn't it? First act as governor was sell the plane? No wonder she quit. If her first act was to sell the plane and in April 22nd 2007 she was still trying to sell it that's 4 months before she even did a single thing while governor. Again you're saying it was her first act.
    Palin tries new tactic to unload hated jet: Former Gov. Sarah Palin | adn.com

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Wooten was placed on administrative leave for a period. He is no longer a trooper. He had a series of reprimands on the force and several personal indiscretions. In a finding released by both Wooten and his union:



    Monegan got fired, not for specifically refusing to fire Wooten, but for doing something much, much worse: he held several press conferences outside the direction of his direct superior: the office of the governor. Monegan served no one but himself in trying to undermine the authority of his superior by making it a public scandal when it was clear he was going to be reprimanded for insubordination.
    Monegan got fired Wooten was never fired. He had 10 days administrative leave in 2006 while there was an investigation. He was back on duty after 10 days leave.

    Mike Wooten is still serving as an Alaska State Trooper.
    Geoffrey Dunn: More Palin Lies: The Trooper in 'Troopergate' Breaks His Silence

    As of November 25, 2009 Wooten was still a state trooper. Do you have any information saying Wooten was actually fired?

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Oh my ****ing god...you don't know a damned thing about any of this, do you? All you have is fables and bull**** to spew because you really have no clue when it comes to this issue.
    Aww again you can't refute anything. I know its hard to hear the truth about the girl you worship. Everything I've stated is accurate. You can't even get simple facts right like Wooten still being a state trooper, when Palin sold the plane, who actually bought the plane.
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yeah, he campaigned for her when she beat out Murkowski in the primary because they are the same party affiliation and it was better than Tony Knowles. But in the primary, he campaigned for Murkowski. Why? Because when she worked on the oil board, she sided with Commissioner Tom Irwin when he presented the idea that Murkowski's closed door meetings with the Big Three had resulted in illegal contracts poised to make the pipeline a huge cost for Alaskans with very little return. When Murkowski fired him, she went public with it AND blew the whistle on the GOP Commissioner (Randy Reudrich) for failing to publically disclose the dealings, quit the board, and subsequently campaigned on the idea of ending the era of being cozy with Big Oil.
    And he was good friends with her. She served as Director of Steven's 527. Now I'm sure there were others he could have got to do that. She turned Randy in for the same thing she was doing in Wasilla. Randy got a slap on the wrist and was still a GOP Chairman. Then she quit to go run for governor. Again it just shows a long string of her doing things to raise her own profile.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Following her election, several scandals broke as a result of other investigations that came about because of her whistle blowing. Notably, the VECO scandal and then the probe into the bribes the oil companies made to key legislature members to vote into law the illegal tax deals Murkowski had made.
    Scandals broke as a result of the FBIs excellent work. Its just funny she quit because of ethics complaints for someone "so pure".

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    That's the cliff notes version but it's far more accurate than the shallow horse**** you tried to pass off.
    Nice try but you still got quite a bit wrong. I know she can do no wrong by you but the fact is she's just as corrupt as any of the other Alaska politicians. She stacked her administration with cronies and had the "first dude" do things out of her office.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    First of all, you're gonna have to prove somehow, some way that her motives were to fulfill her ambition. Because, clearly, the corruption was present, it isn't even debatable, and she was pivotal in bringing a big chunk of it to an end.
    Yes corruption was present and showed in the Branchflower investigation. Nothing you have shown perpetuates the myth of her fighting corruption but rather her raising her profile.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    The pipeline, which was center to the whole corruption issue, was put back out for competitive bidding as a result of Sarah Palin's dedication to fighting the corruption inherent in her own party.
    Competitive bidding which she gave to transcanada on a pipeline that may never be built.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    It isn't fighting corruption, per se, but it is taking a stand even though it went against her establishment. And no, she did not "sing a different tune" when running for VP. She made no indication that her philosophy of governing was going to suddenly shift to one of forced pro-life policies and social conservativism.
    Yeah she sure did. She flip flopped on that bridge to nowhere. Went on a shopping spree on those clothes. Misappropriated money while she was governor charging the state for moving her whole family on state business, overcharging for staying at her own home.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Yeah, says the guy who couldn't get any deeper in his analysis than "Urrrggg, palin BAAAAAAAD"
    Really? I specifically stated several examples instead of the cockamamy crap you pass off like:

    "fought corruption" "fired wooten" stuff that you know didn't happen.

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    You might want to brush up on a subject before you try to take me on. Maybe you could start by finding me one investigation where she was found guilty of illegal activity and start from there...hmmm?
    Come on you haven't even got anything right here. Once again the Branchflower report said that she broke the ethics act

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    Re: Palin and McCain will campaign again

    Yeah Sarah Palin is a fine gal. Until she says something like obamacare's death-panels would have her parents and retarded child stand trial for their lives.

    So other that what she says and thinks she's great.

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