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    Re: Justice Dept. opens preliminary investigation into Ensign's conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    There are two different things - ethics rules and ethics laws. Ethics rules are set by Congress and are only enforced by Congress. Ethics laws are set by Congress and are enforced by the FBI.

    So far, everything I've seen indicated that Ensign allegedly broke several ethics rules. I haven't seen anything suggesting that he broke any ethics law, which is why I'm not sure what the FBI is looking into. The only law that I've even seen raised as something he may have broken is a tax law - the gift reporting requirement, which is a bit strange.
    At issue, primarily, are two questions. Did the $96,000 payment made by Ensign's parents to the Hampton family, after both Doug and Cindy Hampton left Ensign's office, constitute a gift, which would violate campaign-finance laws? And did Ensign run afoul of lobbying restrictions by directing his staff to maintain contact with Doug Hampton after setting him up as a lobbyist?
    Report: FBI Has Contacted Witnesses On Ensign Matter | TPMMuckraker

    Take the source as you will, it was one of the first that popped up when I Googled this to see if I could find the laws. But apparently the gift is part of it and then lobbying restrictions for the job he got for the other guy. Either or, I say this deserves an investigation.
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    Re: Justice Dept. opens preliminary investigation into Ensign's conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Which ones? Was there a single Democrat wrongfully and illegally convicted, like what happened to Ted Williams? I would love to hear about it, if so.
    Have no idea what you are talking about.

    I am talking about the usage by Bush of the US Justice Department for political reasons. And dont deny that it happened because there is plenty of evidence that it did.
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    Re: Justice Dept. opens preliminary investigation into Ensign's conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Report: FBI Has Contacted Witnesses On Ensign Matter | TPMMuckraker

    Take the source as you will, it was one of the first that popped up when I Googled this to see if I could find the laws. But apparently the gift is part of it and then lobbying restrictions for the job he got for the other guy. Either or, I say this deserves an investigation.
    As to the latter, it sounds like it's simply a Congressional rule. As to the former, I'm not clear on the provision they're referring to, but it looks like it might not even be a criminal matter. It's incredibly rare for an official to be fined, much less prosecuted, for failure to disclose one particular expenditure under the campaign finance laws.

    I'm not saying it shouldn't be investigated at all, but am simply noting that people should take this with a grain of salt before they conclude that Ensign is a criminal on the level of Duke Cunningham.
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    Re: Justice Dept. opens preliminary investigation into Ensign's conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Have no idea what you are talking about.

    I am talking about the usage by Bush of the US Justice Department for political reasons. And dont deny that it happened because there is plenty of evidence that it did.
    Post all that evidence. Thanks.
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    Re: Justice Dept. opens preliminary investigation into Ensign's conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    As to the latter, it sounds like it's simply a Congressional rule. As to the former, I'm not clear on the provision they're referring to, but it looks like it might not even be a criminal matter. It's incredibly rare for an official to be fined, much less prosecuted, for failure to disclose one particular expenditure under the campaign finance laws.

    I'm not saying it shouldn't be investigated at all, but am simply noting that people should take this with a grain of salt before they conclude that Ensign is a criminal on the level of Duke Cunningham.
    I think the lobbying thing may be a rule. Listen, I'm not saying throw the bum out (actually, I say throw all the bums out!). I'm saying there seems to be legitimate concern and grounds for an investigation. If the investigation turns something up, then legal proceedings can take place. If not, then it's dead and done. I think there are probably a good number of people in Congress right now who should be under some form of investigation. We must hold them accountable to their rules and ours.
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    Re: Justice Dept. opens preliminary investigation into Ensign's conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What are your thoughts on the Black Panther scandal brewing? You know... the one where some thugs were let off from prosecution by Obama?
    Not heard about it. Got a link to a non biased site?

    But my overall opinion is that the law should be followed regardless of the political colour of the person or persons under investigation and that is not what has been going on for a long time. And that is my point. I dont care if the politician is right or left wing, but the same standard must be applied too all. I dont care if it is Obama himself or Kennedy (pre death) or McCain or Palin or Bush.. the law must be followed. Without that, then you are no better than a dictatorship based on nobles and other elitists where there is one standard for normal people and one standard for the ruling class.
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    Re: Justice Dept. opens preliminary investigation into Ensign's conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Post all that evidence. Thanks.
    LOL you are rich, I know fully well you will dismiss it all because it effects the right wing.

    But just as an example.. the AG scandal and Monica Goodling.

    But I have no doubt you will dismiss it so why even bother answering you since you are not up for a debate but only are here to derail and cause even more fog of war so that in the end we forget what this is all about..
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    Re: Justice Dept. opens preliminary investigation into Ensign's conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Have no idea what you are talking about.

    I am talking about the usage by Bush of the US Justice Department for political reasons. And dont deny that it happened because there is plenty of evidence that it did.
    Your first staement is self evident.

    As for the second, stand and deliver. We await your documented examples.
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    Re: Justice Dept. opens preliminary investigation into Ensign's conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    LOL you are rich, I know fully well you will dismiss it all because it effects the right wing.

    But just as an example.. the AG scandal and Monica Goodling.

    But I have no doubt you will dismiss it so why even bother answering you since you are not up for a debate but only are here to derail and cause even more fog of war so that in the end we forget what this is all about..
    So, you don't have any evidence to back up what you're saying? It's ok to admit it that you're engaging in partisan hackery. I thought you didn't like all that partisan hackery. Haven't we heard you chastise others for that?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Justice Dept. opens preliminary investigation into Ensign's conduct

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Not heard about it. Got a link to a non biased site?

    But my overall opinion is that the law should be followed regardless of the political colour of the person or persons under investigation and that is not what has been going on for a long time. And that is my point. I dont care if the politician is right or left wing, but the same standard must be applied too all. I dont care if it is Obama himself or Kennedy (pre death) or McCain or Palin or Bush.. the law must be followed. Without that, then you are no better than a dictatorship based on nobles and other elitists where there is one standard for normal people and one standard for the ruling class.
    Of course you've never heard of it, Pete.

    Charges Against 'New Black Panthers' Dropped by Obama Justice Dept. - Political News - FOXNews.com

    I knew you would cry about using FNC as my source, so I included video evidence of the crime. I can't imagine that you didn't know about this. Why not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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