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Navy Pride said:
Got a question for you...When does Obama start taking some blame for how bad things are screwed up in this country? 2 years, 5 years, 10 years? Ever???????:confused:
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How about AFTER he cleans up the mess handed to him? I'm no democrat but sheesh, republicans screw up the country and then democrats are elected to fix it. Granted they don't do a very good job but at least they don't do the damage republicans do.

We should have elected Ron Paul, period.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
How about AFTER he cleans up the mess handed to him? I'm no democrat but sheesh, republicans screw up the country and then democrats are elected to fix it. Granted they don't do a very good job but at least they don't do the damage republicans do.

We should have elected Ron Paul, period.
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Total bull****. Democrats profitted off Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and screwed up the country. You can't hide your liberalness behind your label and some feigned admiration for Ron Paul, I can smell a liberal. Present a case, that's truthful and we might listen.
 
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NoJingoLingo said:
How about AFTER he cleans up the mess handed to him? I'm no democrat but sheesh, republicans screw up the country and then democrats are elected to fix it. Granted they don't do a very good job but at least they don't do the damage republicans do.

We should have elected Ron Paul, period.
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The problem is my left wing friend is things are ten times worse when Bush was president........The deficit has tripled and is the most in history and unemployment has doubled from 5 to 10 percent so he ain't clenaing up nothing...........
 
NoJingoLingo said:
apdst said:
So as soon as the democrats took control of congress on January 4th 2007, they are responsible for your business woes. Using your logic, Bush caused the 2000 recession and is responsible for 9/11. :2wave:
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Man/woman there is no sense argueing with you your clueless.....Bush inherited the recession...........He lowered interest rates to their lowest in 50 years and unemployment to 30 years...The dems have the congress and the presidency and did have a filibuster proof senate until recently and all they know is spending...........
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Navy Pride said:
NoJingoLingo said:
Man/woman there is no sense argueing with you your clueless.....Bush inherited the recession...........He lowered interest rates to their lowest in 50 years and unemployment to 30 years...The dems have the congress and the presidency and did have a filibuster proof senate until recently and all they know is spending...........
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Well I have to admit that Bush did some damn spending that I didn't care for. But the Dems had Congress for years before Obama. Clinton lied about his surpluses that never existed.
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American said:
Navy Pride said:
Well I have to admit that Bush did some damn spending that I didn't care for. But the Dems had Congress for years before Obama. Clinton lied about his surpluses that never existed.
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I am not saying Bush was a saint when it came to spending but Obama makes him look like a piker..........
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Navy Pride said:
The problem is my left wing friend is things are ten times worse when Bush was president........The deficit has tripled and is the most in history and unemployment has doubled from 5 to 10 percent so he ain't clenaing up nothing...........
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Your math is off. Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 8%.

Also the deficit is only the most in history if you don't count inflation. If you do, then you see that Obama is not even close.
 
American said:
Well I have to admit that Bush did some damn spending that I didn't care for. But the Dems had Congress for years before Obama. Clinton lied about his surpluses that never existed.
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ScottD said:
Your math is off. Obama inherited an unemployment rate of 8%.

Also the deficit is only the most in history if you don't count inflation. If you do, then you see that Obama is not even close.
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First of all, Scott there is no inflation so the chart you posted is off by that factor. Second the first three months of fiscal year 2010 the deficit is in line to exceed the record deficit in 2009 and doesn't even count any potential cap and trade or healthcare costs.

Barack Obama has done nothing to focus on the deficit nor has he done anything to stimulate the economy. His 787 billion stimulus plan did nothing but stimulate money to the pet constituents of the Democratic Party.
 
Dav said:
Chart that does not adjust for inflation is extremely intellectually dishonest....
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Chart that assumes taxes collected for future liabilities contributes to a "surplus" is beyond dishonest.

For the last two and half decades the United States government has been collecting Socialist Security funds purportedly for future disbursal, and it has also been spending those monies immediately. Subtracts the 15.4% FICA taxes collected and see what happens to the deficit.

Our Dear Rapist President NEVER had anything resembling a budget surplus. Ever.
 
Scarecrow Akhbar said:
Well, Scott, you found a graph.

Very impressive.

Since this graph is dishonest, what was your intention? You're allowed to claim ignorance, I suppose.
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Note the source of the numbers, CBO. You guys seem to go to them on estimates for the cost of government programs all the time.
 
ScottD said:
Note the source of the numbers, CBO. You guys seem to go to them on estimates for the cost of government programs all the time.
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Did you notice the last year of that graph and that it was a projected deficit and shows no Obama numbers?
 
Conservative said:
Did you notice the last year of that graph and that it was a projected deficit and shows no Obama numbers?
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Notice the date of the last update? March 6th, 2008.
 
NoJingoLingo said:
How about AFTER he cleans up the mess handed to him? I'm no democrat but sheesh, republicans screw up the country and then democrats are elected to fix it. Granted they don't do a very good job but at least they don't do the damage republicans do.

We should have elected Ron Paul, period.
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Hello?

It was the Democrat FDR that implemented the FHA.

It was the Democrat Carter the implemented the CRA

It was the Democrat Clinton who implemented CRA II

it was the Democrats in the House and Senate who stonewalled attempts to fix Fannie-Mae and Freddie-Mac.

So, take off your partisan blinders and find out who the real enemies of the Republic are.
 
ScottD said:
Note the source of the numbers, CBO. You guys seem to go to them on estimates for the cost of government programs all the time.
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Wow.

The CBO can't figure out that taxes collected for future unbudgeted expenditures should't be added towards current "surplus/deficit" calculations.

Amazing!

Who'd have thought that a bunch of accountants working for politicians would be so dishonest as to hide that?

Hmmm?

Hey! I've can sell you some options on prime farm real estate in a country called Atlantis. You interested?
 
ScottD said:
Notice the date of the last update? March 6th, 2008.
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Not sure then your point, didn't you post this

Also the deficit is only the most in history if you don't count inflation. If you do, then you see that Obama is not even close.
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Obama took office in January 2009 so there are no numbers in the chart you posted for Obama. The fiscal year 2009 was over 1.4 trillion dollars and was between Bush and Obama. Fiscal year 2010 is ALL Obama and is on path to blow the 2009 record out of the record books. The first three months are over 400 billion dollars.
 
Conservative said:
Not sure then your point, didn't you post this



Obama took office in January 2009 so there are no numbers in the chart you posted for Obama. The fiscal year 2009 was over 1.4 trillion dollars and was between Bush and Obama. Fiscal year 2010 is ALL Obama and is on path to blow the 2009 record out of the record books. The first three months are over 400 billion dollars.
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I posted that chart in response to a completely different post.
 
ScottD said:
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ScottD said:
Note the source of the numbers, CBO. You guys seem to go to them on estimates for the cost of government programs all the time.
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The chart is not from the CBO, the numbers are supposedly from there. Furthermore, the CBO only uses on-budget numbers. Once you include the off-budget items, it presents a much different picture.

The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

There was never a fiscal year under Clinton in which the US debt decreased.
 
RightinNYC said:
The chart is not from the CBO, the numbers are supposedly from there. Furthermore, the CBO only uses on-budget numbers. Once you include the off-budget items, it presents a much different picture.

The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

There was never a fiscal year under Clinton in which the US debt decreased.
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The U.S. Treasury Dept shows a surplus in fiscal year 2000 but that shows how SS receipts created that surplus.

SS revenue and expenses were put into the budget and the SS revenue was over 240 billion more than the SS expenses. Pulling out SS revenue and expenses show a deficit and that is the way it should be. SS should never be on budget and used for anything other than SS payments

Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service
 
American said:
Total bull****. Democrats profitted off Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and screwed up the country. You can't hide your liberalness behind your label and some feigned admiration for Ron Paul, I can smell a liberal. Present a case, that's truthful and we might listen.
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Right because freddie and fanny caused all our woes. Wall Street had nothing to do with it, AIG had nothing to do with it, the fed had nothing to do with it, removal of the Glass/Steagall act had nothing to do with it, people using their over valued homes as ATMs had nothing to do with it, advertising telling us we had to have the newest thing or we are bad parents and less worth while had nothing to do with it, Reaganomics had nothing to do with it... You "conservatives" that clapped at every damaging thing Bush and Cheney did make me... laugh.

It's not the democrats or the republicans, it's the corporatocracy that's the problem... and religion.
 
Navy Pride said:
The problem is my left wing friend is things are ten times worse when Bush was president .....
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Finally Navy....you've come around. Things were ten times worse when Bush was President. Hallelujia....there is hope for you yet Navy....
 
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