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No you're making an assumption that things wouldn't have been different had he had insurance.


No, he couldn't afford to take time off. So he worked, undiagnosed but ill, until he was unable to continue working.


If he had health insurance his doctor could have diagnosed the flu and not just a seasonal cold, prescribed medication, given him a note for his employer so he wouldn't lose his position, told him to get bed rest. He probably wouldn't have gotten pneumonia.

All I am hearing is that you are blaming his needing to take several days and a doctor visit from work on his refusal to do the intelligent thing and rest for a day or two when he initially got sick.

That's because it sounds like he's either a stubborn man with a superhero complex or he's an idiot. I will not make any more conjecture as to which.
 
Nope, he's a single father (black man go figure eh?) with 2 small children. His wife died of ovarian cancer in march 2009, she was undiagnosed until January 2009. No cell phone, basic cable, old car, renting.

I bet you've seen people on food stamps buying steaks, people on welfare driving mercedes and union workers taking 4 hour breaks. :roll:

What does his being black have to do with anything? Are you one of those liberals who view people according to color?

I'm sorry about your cousin's wife. That's a devastating loss. After losing the mother of children to an illness with a late diagnosis, one would think the responsible thing for the father of 2 small children to do is to get his ass to the dr at the first sign of illness. Does Billy Bob (wait, you said he was black), does Tyrone know about after hours urgent care facilities? He could have gone in after work.
 
Good news. Even though I describe myself as a concervative, in the US I would probably be described as a right-wing democrat.

However, without the public option the health care bill is worthless. It is merly an extension of costs, which will increase the allready too big public deficits. Under Bush defecits have gone from 73% to 90% of GDP. Under the financial crisis the federal deficit has increased from 90% to 120% in just two years. Deficits needs to go down and the health care bill will bring in huge extra costs. If taxes increase, US will start to have the same tax level as many European countries, and still will have a broken system.

There are two ways to go. Public option and start becoming more like Europe in the health sector, or market reforms. Public option has failed and the bill passed is only going to increase costs and delay a solution. I hope Obama fails, and that we get a good republican president who is not populist. Who are going to do the neccesary reforms for removing all the regulations that keep health care costs up, and bring competition back in health care.

Source: http://www.usgovernmentspending.com...ng As Percent Of GDP&state=US&color=c&local=s
 
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No you're making an assumption that things wouldn't have been different had he had insurance.


No, he couldn't afford to take time off. So he worked, undiagnosed but ill, until he was unable to continue working.


If he had health insurance his doctor could have diagnosed the flu and not just a seasonal cold, prescribed medication, given him a note for his employer so he wouldn't lose his position, told him to get bed rest. He probably wouldn't have gotten pneumonia.

Sounds to me like he shoulda just spent 60 bucks on a doctor visit.

Sounds like just plain 'ole hard headedness, to me. I've seen it before, I know exactly what it looks like.
 
Sounds to me like he shoulda just spent 60 bucks on a doctor visit.

Sounds like just plain 'ole hard headedness, to me. I've seen it before, I know exactly what it looks like.

Me, too. It usually looks like that guy staring back at me in the mirror. :mrgreen:
 
Me, too. It usually looks like that guy staring back at me in the mirror. :mrgreen:

Sounds like an uncle of mine that was bit by a dog, got blood poisoning and was too tough and too cheap to go to the doctor and get a shot of penocilin.
 
You see, that's why SS was started in the first place; people who needed charity couldn't get it or were too ashamed to ask people they know (the government being faceless) and therefore suffered and died.


The reason Socialist Security was started was to buy votes and tie people's money to the government.


The original Socialist Security program expected almost everyone paying in to be dead before they got old enough to collect, as a means of keeping the costs low.

And hell, if someone is to damn embarassed to ask their children for help, they SHOULD die before they allow the government to steal money from strangers.
 
The reason Socialist Security was started was to buy votes and tie people's money to the government.


The original Socialist Security program expected almost everyone paying in to be dead before they got old enough to collect, as a means of keeping the costs low.

And hell, if someone is to damn embarassed to ask their children for help, they SHOULD die before they allow the government to steal money from strangers.

That is what amazes me that people believe that someone outside their family and outside their state should fund programs beneficial to them. You want healthcare work within your family, your charity, and then your state. I do not expect anyone to provide me my healthcare in TX nor should I fund someone's healthcare in Maine.
 
It was probably tamiflu. If my kid were sick, I would pay the 200 bones OOP for it. I drop $200/week to send him to camp, so I surely wouldn't with hold that money to make him feel well. It's about priorities, people.

I suppose. My pediatrician would just tell me to sleep and eat healthy, and I always got better. The only time he prescribed medication was when I had strep throat.
 
Well bully for you. What a great guy you must be.

Indeed. I am quite impressive.

Good thing you can afford to take a week off work. Lack of empathy noted. :roll:

I'm talking about when I was a kid.

Anyway, I think we're over-medicating our populace, children especially. Fighting off routine diseases strengthens the immune system. Medicating simply creates resistance among new strains and reduces the efficacy of current treatments in the future.
 
It was probably tamiflu. If my kid were sick, I would pay the 200 bones OOP for it. I drop $200/week to send him to camp, so I surely wouldn't with hold that money to make him feel well. It's about priorities, people.
Chucky, hey chill you're going to blow a fuse. It's Friday evening relax. :2razz:
 
That is what amazes me that people believe that someone outside their family and outside their state should fund programs beneficial to them. You want healthcare work within your family, your charity, and then your state. I do not expect anyone to provide me my healthcare in TX nor should I fund someone's healthcare in Maine.

Considering that laws governing insurance companies, healthcare providers, professional liscensing of both insurance agents and healthcare professionals is handled at the state level it only makes sense that healthcare issues would be tackled there. Why people desire this issue to go federal is beyond me. Its a total waste, and as we can see with upcoming medicare payment cutbacks, dangerous.
 
That is what amazes me that people believe that someone outside their family and outside their state should fund programs beneficial to them. You want healthcare work within your family, your charity, and then your state. I do not expect anyone to provide me my healthcare in TX nor should I fund someone's healthcare in Maine.

Outside their "state"?

Why the "state"? Why should the guys living in Buffalo have to support the guys living in Albany? Why should someone in the San Fernando Valley be taxed to support thugs living in South Central Los Angeles, even?

But you're right to a degree. People living in Loseranna, with the full knowledge that a hurrycane is going to come someday and wreck their state, should be saving money, and their state should be saving money, and investing in survival gear suitable for the expected disasters, and they should neither expect Californians, who obviously have chosen to not live in Loseranna, to pay for their expected natural disasters, nor should they expect to have to pay for the little troubles Californians enjoy from time to time.

This is called being a mature responsible adult...and behaving like one.

They can ask for charity when they need it, they shouldn't be turning to the federal government to demand it.
 
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The reason Socialist Security was started was to buy votes and tie people's money to the government.
Got any proof of that or are you just testing out your revisionist propaganda?

The original Socialist Security program expected almost everyone paying in to be dead before they got old enough to collect, as a means of keeping the costs low.
Got any proof of that or are you just testing out your propaganda?

And hell, if someone is to damn embarassed to ask their children for help, they SHOULD die before they allow the government to steal money from strangers.
Are you sure some of them weren't childless for various reasons like war, high infant mortality, death from disease, children without any money to help? No of course not, it must certainly be that they are just dumb lazy farmers eh?
 
What does his being black have to do with anything? Are you one of those liberals who view people according to color?

I'm sorry about your cousin's wife. That's a devastating loss. After losing the mother of children to an illness with a late diagnosis, one would think the responsible thing for the father of 2 small children to do is to get his ass to the dr at the first sign of illness. Does Billy Bob (wait, you said he was black), does Tyrone know about after hours urgent care facilities? He could have gone in after work.
This is a prime example of people running their mouth because they are so happy to run someone down that they neglect to actually pay attention.

1) I'm not a liberal
2) His wife died almost 2 years after he had his illness.
 
Sounds to me like he shoulda just spent 60 bucks on a doctor visit.

Sounds like just plain 'ole hard headedness, to me. I've seen it before, I know exactly what it looks like.

Me, too. It usually looks like that guy staring back at me in the mirror. :mrgreen:

The reason Socialist Security was started was to buy votes and tie people's money to the government.


The original Socialist Security program expected almost everyone paying in to be dead before they got old enough to collect, as a means of keeping the costs low.

And hell, if someone is to damn embarassed to ask their children for help, they SHOULD die before they allow the government to steal money from strangers.

Indeed. I am quite impressive.



I'm talking about when I was a kid.

Anyway, I think we're over-medicating our populace, children especially. Fighting off routine diseases strengthens the immune system. Medicating simply creates resistance among new strains and reduces the efficacy of current treatments in the future.

I understand that you all have good jobs and never had to go without necessities which I'm sure is why you hold such perfidious views and lack empathy. You've also proved that you are incapable of honest decent discussion and prefer to attack instead which puts you in the category of, non-debatable.
 
I understand that you all have good jobs and never had to go without necessities which I'm sure is why you hold such perfidious views and lack empathy. You've also proved that you are incapable of honest decent discussion and prefer to attack instead which puts you in the category of, non-debatable.

I'm barely making it right now, thanks to the Liberals running the economy in the ground.
 
I'm barely making it right now, thanks to the Liberals running the economy in the ground.
Right, because since Reagan took office in 1981 there has been 8 out of 20 years of democratic Presidents. We've been running on Reaganomics the whole time and then Obama picks up the absolute mess the country is in and it's all the democrats fault. You wingnuts are really incapable of admitting any mistakes or wrong doing, huh?

So what you are saying is that you were doing great until 2009. Hmm...
 
Right, because since Reagan took office in 1981 there has been 8 out of 20 years of democratic Presidents. We've been running on Reaganomics the whole time and then Obama picks up the absolute mess the country is in and it's all the democrats fault. You wingnuts are really incapable of admitting any mistakes or wrong doing, huh?



Things were just fine, till the Liberals decided to sabotage the economy, because they knew that's the only way they could get elected.

So what you are saying is that you were doing great until 2009. Hmm...

2009 has been the worst year for my company, so far, but the downward trend started in 2007.
 
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Right, because since Reagan took office in 1981 there has been 8 out of 20 years of democratic Presidents. We've been running on Reaganomics the whole time and then Obama picks up the absolute mess the country is in and it's all the democrats fault. You wingnuts are really incapable of admitting any mistakes or wrong doing, huh?

So what you are saying is that you were doing great until 2009. Hmm...

Got a question for you...When does Obama start taking some blame for how bad things are screwed up in this country? 2 years, 5 years, 10 years? Ever???????:confused:
 
Things were just fine, till the Liberals decided to sabotage the economy, because they knew that's the only way they could get elected.



2009 has been the worst year for my company, so far, but the downward trend started in 2007.[/QUOTE]

When did the dems take over the congress? :doh
 
Things were just fine, till the Liberals decided to sabotage the economy, because they knew that's the only way they could get elected.



2009 has been the worst year for my company, so far, but the downward trend started in 2007.[/QUOTE]

When did the dems take over the congress? :doh

Exactamundo!
 
Exactamundo!

If you've already admitted that you cheat on your taxes, why do you expect any of us to believe a word you say about how much your "business" earns now?
 
My step son recently got the flu and the Dr. proscribed some medicine. It is a fairly recently available and its promise is the sooner taken the sooner the flu is knocked out. Within roughly 36 or less the fever was gone aftet the med was taken. W/O insurance the med was something like 200 + bucks and even with the insurance it was still 67 bucks.

There are a few new drugs out for the flu; T-705 or favipiravir, is made by Fujifilm Holdings Corp unit Toyama Chemical Co. It works differently from Tamiflu and Relenza and seems to work at lower doses, the researchers reported in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Tamiflu, Roche AG and Gilead Sciences Inc.'s popular pill and Relenza, GlaxoSmithKline's and Biota Inc.'s inhaled flu drug, must be given with 48 hours to be fully effective. “This compound works much better, even three days after infection,” Yoshihiro Kawaoka of the University of Tokyo and the University of Wisconsin said in a statement.

“Our results suggest that T-705 is safe and effective in combating H5N1 influenza viruses and is, thus, a promising candidate antiviral for the treatment of highly pathogenic H5N1 patients,” Kawaoka and colleagues wrote.

It would have been better and cheaper to get the flu-shot.
 
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