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GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

Well, there is a normal protocol we are required to follow. Would you like for me to assume the position of the american liberal/leftist/marxist/socialist position? I'd be glad to but I much more prefer the part of the average angry american populist joe. It's more fun out here plus there's more of us these days. :mrgreen:

I would you rather explain to me how repubs would do it any different. From the economy to healthcare, and actually create positive change.
 
Look, since you are clearly confused, I will spell it out. I feel that even though the healthcare bill is greatly flawed, it is better than what Republicans will bring, which is nothing. I garantee you they will do nothing but let everything remain as it has been.

If they were to actually make strides to end practices such as pre-existing condition rejection for coverage, then I would welcome it. But they will not. I know it and you know it.

....but we do not know that. All of the negotiations are being held behind closed doors these days and neither the press nor the republicans are allowed inside to participate or observe. That is the present reality.
 
I would you rather explain to me how repubs would do it any different. From the economy to healthcare, and actually create positive change.

I suggest you keep this question on ice until, oh, I'd say after the 2010 elections. Then I won't have to "explain" anything to you.
 
....but we do not know that. All of the negotiations are being held behind closed doors these days and neither the press nor the republicans are allowed inside to participate or observe. That is the present reality.

I acknowledged that it was imperfect as is. What I fear is no reform at all. I do not think anything will change. Republican Senators will filibuster and that is that.
 
I suggest you keep this question on ice until, oh, I'd say after the 2010 elections. Then I won't have to "explain" anything to you.

Is that it, or that there are no ideas. Only the ability to tear down, not build.

Brown was not elected for ideas or agenda, but rather for trying to stop Obama.
 
I would you rather explain to me how repubs would do it any different. From the economy to healthcare, and actually create positive change.

The Republicans aren't going to try and kill the energy industry in this country. Think of all the tobacco industry jobs that have been lost over the past year. The Progressives are a disgrace to our nation.
 
I suggest you keep this question on ice until, oh, I'd say after the 2010 elections. Then I won't have to "explain" anything to you.

Well they had a chance at it for 6 years and they blew it. How will it be any different this time?
 
The Republicans aren't going to try and kill the energy industry in this country. Think of all the tobacco industry jobs that have been lost over the past year. The Progressives are a disgrace to our nation.

How is tobacco and energy related?:confused:
 
Don't need one. Conservatives want no change. They will allow the cost of healthcare to spiral out of control in order to maintain their insurance and pharma task masters.

The Liberals gave us change and how has that worked out for us?

If it ain't broke, don't fix it. America isn't broken, so there's nothing to fix. Does she need a tune up? Adjust a valve? And over-head? Sure, but she ain't broke.

Things were fine before the Liberals started changing things.
 
Would you seriously consider any rebuttal, or simply come back with scores of Conservative talking-points sound bytes.

WOW!

Who in the world are you to even think of tellign people not to use "talking points sound byes" when your amazing contributions have included these fine gems.

It is a good day for insurance companies and pharmaceutical companies, congrats and may they bleed the working class dry!

But the fear mongering you are regurgitating was certainly effective in swaying voters.

And people are not making money because of the last eight-years of Republican economics. Its called the trickle-down effect and the pores have clogged!

Conservatives want no change.

They will allow the cost of healthcare to spiral out of control in order to maintain their insurance and pharma task masters.

I feel that even though the healthcare bill is greatly flawed, it is better than what Republicans will bring, which is nothing.

Is that it, or that there are no ideas. Only the ability to tear down, not build.

Brown was not elected for ideas or agenda, but rather for trying to stop Obama.

Yes, you truly are the perfect person to be lecturing anyone about using talking-points sounding rhetoric in the guise of an argument
 
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I acknowledged that it was imperfect as is. What I fear is no reform at all. I do not think anything will change. Republican Senators will filibuster and that is that.

Considering the way the congress is presently being run by pelosi and reid, that is just about all the repubulicans can do. Inasfar as this particular piece of legislation is concerned it is a result of the most corrupt piece of politicing this country has seen in a century. It deserves to die. Start over, and for god's sake work for bi-partisan legislation. (I think it's probably too late for that to happen but, hell, it isn't only liberals who have dream.)
 
Show me the error of my ways, then.

Politically the GOP is superior in their campaigns and misdirection. Here is what will happen. People will vote Repubs in this fall. Nothing will be accomplished and the recession will last longer than need be. Gas will sky-rocket because energy companies will have free-reign to rape the American people again, and the economy will suffer more. Then people will blame Obama for it rather than the Repubs who will present no ideas only criticism and the such. Bush part 2 will come along and lead us further into Middle Eastern conflict, only to continue the ridiculous practice of burrowing money from China, which is poised to become the next hegemon. The GOP will further the gap between rich and poor, more people will be without insurance and will not have had a raise in over 10 years. Another Dem will then be elected and the cycle will continue.
 
WOW!

Who in the world are you to even think of tellign people not to use "talking points sound byes" when your amazing contributions have included these fine gems.





Conservatives want no change.







Yes, you truly are the perfect person to be lecturing anyone about using talking-points sounding rhetoric in the guise of an argument


The difference is my points are true, not random slogans that have no real value. Such as socialist, which it appears is regularly used without the meaning actually being known.
 
Well they had a chance at it for 6 years and they blew it. How will it be any different this time?

I'm an old man. I've seen an awful lot of administrations come and go. Most of them democratic. What I'd like to see more than anything else is bi-partisanship. These party's need to work together. They are not. Obama wasn't the man to "bring us together." It's time to agnowledge it.
 
Really? Is this what you believe? I might go along with tobacco, but not energy.

So, those punitive taxes placed on oilfield companies and coal companies had no affect on employment?

PBO saying, point blank, that he was going to put coal power plants out of business didn't have a negative impact? None??
 
I'm an old man. I've seen an awful lot of administrations come and go. Most of them democratic. What I'd like to see more than anything else is bi-partisanship. These party's need to work together. They are not. Obama wasn't the man to "bring us together." It's time to agnowledge it.

I think non-partisanship is more important than bi-partisanship, because with the latter, only Dems and Reps are working together, with the former, you get them working with independents or third party people.

There is something else we need to acknowledge, both parties are ridiculous. Bush's time was a disaster, Obama's looks like its heading that way too.
 
So, those punitive taxes placed on oilfield companies and coal companies had no affect on employment?

PBO saying, point blank, that he was going to put coal power plants out of business didn't have a negative impact? None??

No, what it has done is opened-up a whole new field of energy jobs that have a more steady stream of income. You may or may not know, most oil rig workers are payed based on the price of oil, so when oil dips so do the checks of the workers. Alternative energy jobs bring in seady incomes, or the same amount every check. Many oil rig workers are flocking to these jobs.
 
Really? Is this what you believe? I might go along with tobacco, but not energy.

Many of us on this side see it that way. I'm old enough to remember when americans made most of what we consumed. I remember when the north was an industrial powerhouse. Not so much anymore. The toxic combination of democratic party administrations from the counties to the statehouses working in collusion with the unions pretty much ended that.


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Many of us on this side see it that way. I'm old enough to remember when americans made most of what we consumed. I remember when the north was an industrial powerhouse. Not so much anymore. The toxic combination of democratic party administrations from the counties to the statehouses working in collusion with the unions pretty much ended that.


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What happened was globalization. That is it and all.
 
This election is what happens when you become overconfident and rest on your laurels. You know like the republicans here today that are eating it up and becoming overconfident. :lol:

That said congrats to the right. Everybody deserves a break sometime and you guys haven't had a break in a while. :mrgreen: I just hope he doesn't let you down. He sure doesn't seem like the brightest bulb in the room.
 
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