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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Conservative View Post
    Not sure then your point, didn't you post this



    Obama took office in January 2009 so there are no numbers in the chart you posted for Obama. The fiscal year 2009 was over 1.4 trillion dollars and was between Bush and Obama. Fiscal year 2010 is ALL Obama and is on path to blow the 2009 record out of the record books. The first three months are over 400 billion dollars.
    I posted that chart in response to a completely different post.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

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    Note the source of the numbers, CBO. You guys seem to go to them on estimates for the cost of government programs all the time.
    The chart is not from the CBO, the numbers are supposedly from there. Furthermore, the CBO only uses on-budget numbers. Once you include the off-budget items, it presents a much different picture.

    The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

    There was never a fiscal year under Clinton in which the US debt decreased.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    The chart is not from the CBO, the numbers are supposedly from there. Furthermore, the CBO only uses on-budget numbers. Once you include the off-budget items, it presents a much different picture.

    The Myth of the Clinton Surplus

    There was never a fiscal year under Clinton in which the US debt decreased.
    The U.S. Treasury Dept shows a surplus in fiscal year 2000 but that shows how SS receipts created that surplus.

    SS revenue and expenses were put into the budget and the SS revenue was over 240 billion more than the SS expenses. Pulling out SS revenue and expenses show a deficit and that is the way it should be. SS should never be on budget and used for anything other than SS payments

    Current Report: Combined Statement of Receipts, Outlays, and Balances of the United States Government (Combined Statement): Publications & Guidance: Financial Management Service

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Total bull****. Democrats profitted off Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae and screwed up the country. You can't hide your liberalness behind your label and some feigned admiration for Ron Paul, I can smell a liberal. Present a case, that's truthful and we might listen.
    Right because freddie and fanny caused all our woes. Wall Street had nothing to do with it, AIG had nothing to do with it, the fed had nothing to do with it, removal of the Glass/Steagall act had nothing to do with it, people using their over valued homes as ATMs had nothing to do with it, advertising telling us we had to have the newest thing or we are bad parents and less worth while had nothing to do with it, Reaganomics had nothing to do with it... You "conservatives" that clapped at every damaging thing Bush and Cheney did make me... laugh.

    It's not the democrats or the republicans, it's the corporatocracy that's the problem... and religion.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The problem is my left wing friend is things are ten times worse when Bush was president .....
    Finally Navy....you've come around. Things were ten times worse when Bush was President. Hallelujia....there is hope for you yet Navy....
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The problem is my left wing friend is things are ten times worse when Bush was president........The deficit has tripled and is the most in history and unemployment has doubled from 5 to 10 percent so he ain't clenaing up nothing...........
    And you think that everything changes when a president comes into office. A train wreck doesn't stop on a dime. Unemployment was creeping up and the whole mess was unfolding in the last few months of 2008.

    Obama simply got lucky that Bernanke knew what a mess he helped create and knew how to keep it from going over the cliff.

    Republicans ALWAYS give democrats debt and then insist the only way to fix it is to lower taxes, cut education and social programs. Reagan almost tripled the debt. Bush actually did triple it.

    Bush had a very mild recession when he took office and did nothing to correct it.

    The nation’s job base grew at an annual rate of 0.28 percent during Bush’s eight years as president – by far the slowest pace for any of the 11 presidents in the postwar era, according to Bizjournals. The previous low had been set by Bush’s father, with an annual job-growth rate of 0.59 percent.

    2008 was the Worst year for jobs since 1945 because the December-to-December job loss of 2.6 million was the biggest calendar year loss since 1945, when the country was demobilizing from World War II. But that's a misleading comparison, given that the population of the U.S. in 1945 was less than half what it is now. If you look at percentage job loss, 2008 was the worst year since 1982. Do we blame Reagan for 1982 or Carter?

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Hello?

    It was the Democrat FDR that implemented the FHA.

    It was the Democrat Carter the implemented the CRA

    It was the Democrat Clinton who implemented CRA II

    it was the Democrats in the House and Senate who stonewalled attempts to fix Fannie-Mae and Freddie-Mac.

    So, take off your partisan blinders and find out who the real enemies of the Republic are.
    Corporatists.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    Corporatists.

    Heading down New World Order rhetoric now are we?


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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Heading down New World Order rhetoric now are we?


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    No, are you hoping for it? I'm simply noting that the corporations in the USA control our all 3 branches of government regardless of what party has the Executive or legislative branches. Corporations have always had a damaging influence on our elections but now, with the SCOTUS decision, the control is complete.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    No, are you hoping for it? I'm simply noting that the corporations in the USA control our all 3 branches of government regardless of what party has the Executive or legislative branches. Corporations have always had a damaging influence on our elections but now, with the SCOTUS decision, the control is complete.

    Nonsense. I doubt very much that you will see anything change. The canard that with this ruling corporations will now exert full influence over politicians directly is nothing more than a scare tactic. It is a liberal media influenced talking point, and designed to take our eyes off the ball when it comes to what is really going on here.

    Liberals and demo's had no problem with commercials being produced by Big Labor, or special interests groups like Soros's 527's, but can't stand that now there may be a leveling of the field.

    Corporations are in the business of making money, and the recent assault on them such as Obama's administration threatening certain health care groups for sending out their position on legislation disagreeing with the administration is fundamentally against what is American.

    You support that?


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