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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I know you're no talking about Sarah Palin.

    What's the old expression about gift wrapping dog poop. No matter how nice the paper, how many bows, it still smells like poop...
    Yeah, that's what the voters in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusett[e]s have said.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yeah, that's what the voters in Virginia, New Jersey, and Massachusett[e]s have said.
    No, it's what the voters in NY23rd (a district that had been held by Republicans since the Civil War) said.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    I know you're no talking about Sarah Palin.

    What's the old expression about gift wrapping dog poop. No matter how nice the paper, how many bows, it still smells like poop...
    That's what the country is saying about PBO at this point.

    I wonder what it's like to be president and know that there's no way you're going to get re-elected for a second term, only 12 months into your first term. That's gotta suck.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    I wish this site wasn't blocked at work after such a great victory. What a great night, especially considering in Massachusetts that, "Democrats outnumber Republicans 3-to-1 in the state -- 37 percent of registered voters are Democrats, 12 percent are Republicans and 51 percent are unaffiliated. Obama won the state by 26 percentage points in the 2008 presidential election."
    FOXNews.com - Brown Scores Upset Victory Over Coakley in Massachusetts Senate Race



    "...The special election yesterday in Massachusetts was truly amazing. It is a clear indication of things to come and a demonstration of the momentum we all share in the fight for the values and policies that will get our country back to work. The commonsense conservative principles of liberty and fiscal responsibility are on the rise, and that's why I'm going out and campaigning as hard as I can to make a difference. I can't wait to join all of you in supporting these great candidates and many more over the coming months..."
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Millions of people. Are you saying that sleeping on the cold street in rags and eating out of a dumpster isn't really that bad? I suggest you try it for a week. Maybe you can walk down the street and tell the family living in the alley they should be happy that they don't live in Africa or China. I'm sure that will make them feel better.

    Anyway, I am for supporting those people struggling to make a life but cannot afford the added cost of basic health care. It is in the countries long term benefit to make sure these workers are healthy, working, and increasing their economic status.

    This country benefits from less poverty, not more.
    Many poor people aren't poor. They are con artists. They've learned how to work the system.

    A woman I worked with made around $23,000 a year. She had 3 kids. Her husband, whom she wasn't married to, lived with her on and off, mostly on, like all the time. She got The Earned Income Credit, and her kids were signed up for the Angel Tree at Xmas. So sad, but more than likely, she had at the very least, her (husband) had a good job, a $50,000 a year income and yes, her kids had health insurance.

    There's an underground economy. This is where a lot of poor people supplement their welfare, food stamps, and medicaid.

    Going Underground: America's Shadow EconomyBy: Jim McTague
    Baron's | Thursday, January 06, 2005


    America has two economies, and one is flourishing at the expense of the other. First, there's the legitimate economy, in which craftsmen are licensed and employers and employees pay taxes. Then there's the fast-growing underground economy, where millions of nannies, construction workers and others are paid off-the-books, their incomes largely untaxed. The best guess as to the size of the output of this shadow economy is about $970 billion, or nearly 9% that of the real economy. It should soon pass $1 trillion.

    What is largely fueling the underground economy, experts say, is the nation's swelling ranks of low-wage illegal immigrants. The government puts this population at 8.5 million, but that may represent a serious undercount.

    Robert Justich, a senior managing director at Bear Stearns Asset Management in New York, makes a persuasive case in a forthcoming paper, "The Underground Labor Force Is Rising to the Surface," that illegal immigrants actually number 18 million to 20 million. If true, the economic implications are profound and could help shape debates slated in Washington this year over both immigration policies and tax reform.

    Measuring the size of the underground economy is, of course, more art than science, since most of its denizens seek to remain anonymous. But convincing anecdotal evidence and a number of credible academic studies suggest that it is expanding briskly -- probably by an average of 5.6% a year since the early 1990s, edging out the real economy.

    In the process, the underground economy is undermining the effectiveness of the Internal Revenue Service, which is highly dependent on employees' withholding taxes. If the IRS could collect all the taxes it says that it is owed from the underground economy in a given year, then the current budget deficit would disappear overnight. And if the IRS could collect these taxes every year, then the nation would have surpluses as far as the eye can see.

    The IRS has estimated that its tax gap -- the estimated amount of taxes owed minus the amount collected -- is around $311 billion in any given year. The agency will produce a new estimate in 2005, and it could be as high as $400 billion, says former IRS Commissioner Donald Alexander. Now a lawyer in Washington, he cites a rise in private contracting and the opportunities it affords for not reporting income.

    The gap number measures only a portion of the underground economy. Because the number is extrapolated from audited returns, it makes no allowances for criminal enterprises that report no income, and it even fails to capture some garden varieties of non-reporting. The unreported wages of illegal immigrants alone could be costing the government another $50 billion a year, says Justich.

    Growth of the underground economy is partly a result of corporate downsizing, which has forced many former employees to go out on their own.

    "We have had an 85% taxpayer compliance rate," says Nina Olson, the IRS's taxpayer advocate. "I expect the number to decline," because the portion of employees subject to withholding is on the wane. Such employees are 99% compliant with tax laws, she says, but in the 21st-century economy, "More and more people are being treated as independent contractors. We are losing people from the withholding environment."

    Entrepreneurs often are stymied by the complexity of estimating their taxes and making quarterly payments, which leads to mistakes or out-and-out avoidance. The growth of online commerce may be exacerbating the situation.

    There were over 40 million regular users of eBay alone in 2003, up from 23 million in 2002. The sellers are responsible for paying taxes. Some of them set up a business and get a taxpayer ID number; others don't. (An eBay spokesman says the company isn't a tax adviser -- it's up to members to report their taxes.)

    Most unsettling to IRS bureaucrats, taxpayers as a group appear to have become less honest. Former New York City Police Commissioner Bernard Kerik is the latest poster boy for the phenomenon. He had to drop his bid to become secretary of homeland security because he failed to pay Social Security taxes for his children's illegal-immigrant nanny.

    Kerik is hardly alone: Any homeowner who has been offered two prices by a handyman or a gardener -- a higher one for a payment by check, a lower one for all cash -- knows how quickly the savings can add up. In one twist on off-the-books business, the New York Times recently reported on a rise in mechanics who repair cars at curbside for untraceable cash payments. They are not in want of customers. In some cities, including Boston, owners of battered cars get similar offers from itinerant body-repair "experts."

    In speeches, IRS Commissioner Mark Everson is fond of citing a survey by his agency showing that the number of Americans who consider tax-cheating acceptable rose from 11% in 1999 to 17% in 2003.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    The ironic thing is that if the Democrats continued with their involvement like they had done to push Obama into the presidency - Brown wouldn't have won.

    But they decided to be fickle and unconcerned - they got what they wanted and now they've jumped ship.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    She is getting better every day.....By the time she runs for the senate she will be a polished candidate with about a 90% approval rating from Conservatives and Independents..........
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    So now you can predict the future.. Interesting
    Palin has received to much negative press in the past year to be accepted by many.

    It does speak volumes that she had to removed herself from holding a political office (and thus no voting record history or legislature trail) to be even considered a candidate.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Marilyn Monroe View Post
    Many poor people aren't poor. They are con artists. They've learned how to work the system.

    A woman I worked with made around $23,000 a year. She had 3 kids. Her husband, whom she wasn't married to, lived with her on and off, mostly on, like all the time. She got The Earned Income Credit, and her kids were signed up for the Angel Tree at Xmas. So sad, but more than likely, she had at the very least, her (husband) had a good job, a $50,000 a year income and yes, her kids had health insurance.

    There's an underground economy. This is where a lot of poor people supplement their welfare, food stamps, and medicaid.
    I'm aware of this. A year ago I was actually checking out behind a women at the grocery store who paid with food stamps and left in a brand new BMW 525 (she was parked next to me).

    Is this the exception or the rule when it comes to the poor in America?
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    No, it's what the voters in NY23rd (a district that had been held by Republicans since the Civil War) said.
    Looks to me like the Republican got more votes, Republicans 69.2 and Democrat 66.5

    97% reporting N.Y. District 23

    N.Y. District 23 Candidate Party Votes Pct.

    Winner: Bill OwensBill Owens Dem. 66,526 49.0%
    Doug Hoffman Con. 62,308 45.9
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    No, it's what the voters in NY23rd (a district that had been held by Republicans since the Civil War) said.
    You can't raise him one district until you call him on his three STATES.

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