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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

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    To the person who said all Americans have health care through emergency rooms, are you really that ignorant or are you just really that partisan? I bet people would rather prevent an illness instead of waiting until you need emergency help for it because that is sinking our nation.
    So how does health insurance prevent you from becoming sick?I've had health insurance through my work for the last 4 years.....Still got sick at least twice a year.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by NoJingoLingo View Post
    OK, the negative campaign against health insurance reform worked. When polls ask if people like the various things in the Senate Bill without being told it is in the Senate Bill then the response is overwhelmingly positive in support. If you then ask them about the Senate Bill, they say they don't like it. They like the good things in the Bill but they don't like the bad things like Ben Nelsons medicare debacle and government mandate without insurance company cost controls.
    So what you're saying is that people like nice things in the abstract, don't like bad things in the abstract, and overall don't like the Senate Bill?

    If you asked me whether I would like it if everyone had healthcare, I would say yes. If you asked me whether I would like it if everyone had healthcare and that were paid for by raising taxes and moving to a single-payer system, I would say no.

    Do you see why it would be disingenuous to argue "Oh, he really wants everyone to have healthcare, he's just being lied to about the details of the whole proposal. He thinks its a good idea to move to a single-payer system and raise taxes."

    What other negative things are in the Bill? Have YOU read it?
    I can guarantee that I've read more of it than you have.

    It's not a "government takeover of your health care".
    Where did I say it was?

    There is no public option in the Bill.
    Where did I say there was?

    No panels to decide if the infirm, elderly or Palins grandson should continue to live.
    Setting aside the fact that that's not what the "death panel" i.e. cost-effectiveness panel issue should really be about, I would love it if they were in the bill.

    No tax payer abortion funding.
    Setting aside the fact that this is hardly settled, I don't really give a **** either way.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    Setting aside the fact that that's not what the "death panel" i.e. cost-effectiveness panel issue should really be about, I would love it if they were in the bill.
    You make so much sense, and then you always say something weird like this.

    How can a life be given a cost value?

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Her social conservatism will be even less relevant twenty years from now.
    So now you can predict the future.. Interesting
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    We survived as a nation for over 200 years without the "reform" that isn't reform....I think we'll survive another 200 without it.




    Then why do you want this horrible "reform" bill so bad?
    I was wondering the same thing............
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Here is how I see it. It's not epic at all, but something to be expected, given the track record of the Democrats last year. They had control of everything. The word "epic" would normally apply to how badly the Democrats screwed things up last year, but knowing their past track record, and history of pulling defeats out of the jaws of victory, I don't think "epic" can really apply there either.

    Look, if some dumb guy, like myself, on an internet forum, can call this election days before it happened, then why weren't the almighty pundits doing the same? Because they had to build up drama to increase their ratings. Isn't that why we call them media whores?

    This wasn't rocket science folks, and certainly does not fall into the "epic" category either. The best candidate already had it won before the polls even opened.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So people choose to live in poverty?
    Some people make that choice.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    This country benefits from less poverty, not more.

    Name the federal programs that's significantly reduced poverty.


    WRONG. No federal program has reduced the poverty rate. It was declining on it's own just fine before the Great Society. It stopped declining when the Great Society was implemented, and has hovered around 11% ever since.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Here is how I see it. It's not epic at all, but something to be expected, given the track record of the Democrats last year. They had control of everything. The word "epic" would normally apply to how badly the Democrats screwed things up last year, but knowing their past track record, and history of pulling defeats out of the jaws of victory, I don't think "epic" can really apply there either.

    Look, if some dumb guy, like myself, on an internet forum, can call this election days before it happened, then why weren't the almighty pundits doing the same? Because they had to build up drama to increase their ratings. Isn't that why we call them media whores?

    This wasn't rocket science folks. The best candidate already had it won before the polls opened.
    I think that's pretty much it. It's a win, and it helps the GOP, but we're a long way from this being a big deal.

    If Brown had defeated a living and healthy incumbent (Kennedy or Kerry), then yeah that's big news. But my feeling is either of those guys would have squashed Brown like a bug.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    The funniest part of the Liberals getting their fifth points of contact getting spanked raw, is that it happened in not only the most Liberal state in the country, but the state that will be affected the least by Obamacare.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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