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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    And just hope those people never get sick until they can afford health insurance?
    We survived as a nation for over 200 years without the "reform" that isn't reform....I think we'll survive another 200 without it.


    I prefer job creation to come from the private sector, as I do with health care.
    Then why do you want this horrible "reform" bill so bad?
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    I didn't post "Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans"
    Oh, sorry!
    That's the post I was responding to!

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    So people choose to live in poverty?
    No. I never said that. Read what I was responding to.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Dav View Post
    Emphasis added.
    As long as they fall into a "designated eligibility groups" and they can find a doctor that accepts Medicaid.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    We survived as a nation for over 200 years without the "reform" that isn't reform....I think we'll survive another 200 without it.
    Yes we will, we will just fall into further and further separated social classes.
    For this country to continue on a prosperous and moral path we can't allow the lower class/poor to become the majority. We need to do what we can to bring those in the lower classes up to higher classes.

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    Then why do you want this horrible "reform" bill so bad?
    I specifically stated multiple times I am against this health care plan.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Dix View Post
    No. I never said that. Read what I was responding to.
    You responded to the post that said "Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans." with "That's their choice".

    The majority of those individuals that don't have health care cannot afford health care so are are saying they choose to live within this "poor" income level.

    Hell when I was in my early twenties making a little over $30k I could barley afford health care. I think I was paying about $550/month.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Incorrect and misleading as usual. The tax revenue generated would largely be the burden of corporate and upper echelon. But the fear mongering you are regurgitating was certainly effective in swaying voters.

    The taxing of healthcare plans was refused by the Dems after its proposal. And people are not making money because of the last eight-years of Republican economics. Its called the trickle-down effect and the pores have clogged!
    I know this is a difficult concept for people who believe that money is produced by magic and attaned by theft, but the entities you fantasize about paying for the health care of the unproductive strata, are perfectly capable of passing their expenses to the working class.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    You can afford a 3BR Condo in Jersey though.

    Having basic health care is not the same as living a chosen lifestyle. What would be the same is if you couldn't afford a house at all. You can move into government sponsored housing until you could afford better.
    Oh, so what you mean is that I can't get something that I can't afford, but some basic level of housing is available to me if I am below a certain standard of living? That sounds pretty much like our current healthcare system.

    If we were to analogize the healthcare proposal, it would be like saying we're going to give out government subsidies to people who can only afford to rent, because we think everyone should have the chance to own a house. We tried that. It failed miserably.

    Then they choose not to get it. There are also millions of people want it and can't afford it. Help those that want help and let those that don't deal with the consequences.
    And I wouldn't have a problem with a bill that sought to do just that. If anyone proposes it, let me know.

    50% is not equal to EVERYONE.
    My apologies, I misread "You forget that there is still a overall % approval for the program" as you saying that you thought the approval rating for the bill was overall positive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    You responded to the post that said "Hurray no healthcare for millions of americans." with "That's their choice".

    The majority of those individuals that don't have health care cannot afford health care so are are saying they choose to live within this "poor" income level.

    Hell when I was in my early twenties making a little over $30k I could barley afford health care. I think I was paying about $550/month.
    That would have been 20-22% of your income. What do you think is the appropriate percentage of income we can expect people to pay?
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    And there's the bumper sticker-esque discourse that this country really needs right now. Ranks right up there with "Bush Lied, People Died" and "Obamanation."

    edit: Your signature says "When did the dumbest people get to make being smart (elite) something bad?"

    Why don't you eschew the sound-byte tactics of "the dumbest people" and demonstrate more "elite" behavior by elaborating on your position?
    OK, the negative campaign against health insurance reform worked. When polls ask if people like the various things in the Senate Bill without being told it is in the Senate Bill then the response is overwhelmingly positive in support. If you then ask them about the Senate Bill, they say they don't like it. They like the good things in the Bill but they don't like the bad things like Ben Nelsons medicare debacle and government mandate without insurance company cost controls. What other negative things are in the Bill? Have YOU read it?

    It's not a "government takeover of your health care". There is no public option in the Bill.
    No panels to decide if the infirm, elderly or Palins grandson should continue to live.
    No tax payer abortion funding.

    The dems do what they usually do, screw up their own birthday. They had a super majority and they spent an entire year chasing the negative campaign. That's one reason why I don't like or vote for either party.

    To the person who said all Americans have health care through emergency rooms, are you really that ignorant or are you just really that partisan? I bet people would rather prevent an illness instead of waiting until you need emergency help for it because that is sinking our nation.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    we can't allow the lower class/poor to become the majority.
    Last time I checked the poor are not in danger of becoming the majority....Well,it won't happen unless the Health Deform bill and Crap and Tax are passed.

    I specifically stated multiple times I am against this health care plan.
    Then theres no reason to be upset if it doesn't pass.
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