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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    That's because the Dems are in charge now. Go back to 2006 and beyond and see what you get. Take a look at campaign donations for Bush and GOP Senators back then. The numbers are flipped.

    Trust me, they ALL take every penny they can get.
    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Yet Democrats are working against them and Republicans to protect them.
    So your theory is that the Republicans are acting the way they do in spite of the fact that these industries have drastically curtailed their donations and have shifted to giving to their opponents?

    It's almost as if they actually believe in their positions!
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    So your theory is that the Republicans are acting the way they do in spite of the fact that these industries have drastically curtailed their donations and have shifted to giving to their opponents?

    It's almost as if they actually believe in their positions!
    Let's see if you can get this. They give money to whoever is in power in order to try to gain influence. If the GOP has no influence then why waste the money any longer. They know Dems will still work against them, but try to soften it will their donations.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    I see it... and that's the problem isn't it? The lobbyists are simply pandering to whomever is in charge and the politicians- no matter the party - takes the money. That has to stop.
    Then certain people...can I call them socialists....have to not only stop insisting that the government get more power, but they actually have to start demanding the government get smaller, with less power.

    Power is what politicians sell.

    Duh! That we have to explain something this simple to supposedly educated people!

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Let's see if you can get this. They give money to whoever is in power in order to try to gain influence. If the GOP has no influence then why waste the money any longer. They know Dems will still work against them, but try to soften it will their donations.
    My point is that it's asinine to claim that Republicans are operating at the beck and call of the insurance and pharmaceutical companies when those same companies have shunned the Republicans for the past 2 elections and have been donating most of their money to the Democrats. As you note, the reason those industries do that is because they donate to whoever is in charge, which is exactly why it's dumb to rely on the fact that they donated to the Republicans when they were in charge as proof that the Republicans are beholden to those industries.

    If you want to claim that by virtue of their political and economic philosophies, Republicans are naturally more friendly to insurance or pharmaceutical companies, that would be a more logical position. However, your claim that they are acting this way because they're in the pay of those industries is absurd.
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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Can you provide stats for this?
    Nope, not gonna bother. I lived through it, I didn't keep records.

    There's this thing called "memory".

    It's not JUST for computers.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by RightinNYC View Post
    My point is that it's asinine to claim that Republicans are operating at the beck and call of the insurance and pharmaceutical companies when those same companies have shunned the Republicans for the past 2 elections and have been donating most of their money to the Democrats. As you note, the reason those industries do that is because they donate to whoever is in charge, which is exactly why it's dumb to rely on the fact that they donated to the Republicans when they were in charge as proof that the Republicans are beholden to those industries.

    If you want to claim that by virtue of their political and economic philosophies, Republicans are naturally more friendly to insurance or pharmaceutical companies, that would be a more logical position. However, your claim that they are acting this way because they're in the pay of those industries is absurd.
    I agree that the money fluctuates, but it would be interesting to see who supported Brown wouldn't it.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Take a look at energy companies, they are still making money. Are you serious? Or just nuts? And save your "American," wrap myself in the flag bs for the ignorant masses that fall for that ****.
    I'd never wrap you in the flag.

    Nor myself.

    You want to be considered an American? You have to stop urging unamerican scams on the country.

    Socialism is as unamerican as it gets.

    Of course energy companies are making money. That's what they're in business for.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Nope, not gonna bother. I lived through it, I didn't keep records.

    There's this thing called "memory".

    It's not JUST for computers.
    Did you live in New England at the time?

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I'd never wrap you in the flag.

    Nor myself.

    You want to be considered an American? You have to stop urging unamerican scams on the country.

    Socialism is as unamerican as it gets.

    Of course energy companies are making money. That's what they're in business for.
    Then why are you asserting they are shedding jobs if you admit they are still quite profitable?

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    I'd never wrap you in the flag.

    Nor myself.

    You want to be considered an American? You have to stop urging unamerican scams on the country.

    Socialism is as unamerican as it gets.

    Of course energy companies are making money. That's what they're in business for.
    And no one is urging socialism, just a fair market free from the scams insurance and pharma have on the country.

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