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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by windovervocalcords View Post
    The real message is democracy and that the US likes a pendulum.
    I'm sorry, but I believe you are very, very wrong.

    The Liberal spin is awesome! I can't wait to hear the cries of racism when PBO is voted out.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Republicans lost in '08, because they were trying to hard to act like Liberals.

    The real message here is: Americans have rejected the Liberal agenda.

    Like Rush, I hoped that the Liberal agenda would be a massive failure and our prayers have been answered. It's time to take our country back.
    Not without a serious shake up of the Republican party. Until they can put forth a more responsible policy for America, simply changing Democrats for Republicans will do nothing. Republicans have to consciously assert a more conservative method: smaller government, reduce the nanny state, cut expenditures and lower taxes. Include Democrats in the process and do what Obama has not - make it transparent. Lastly - be honest with the American people and stop some of the typical Washington porkfest of the taxpayers dollars. It's not the Government's money, it's the people's money. Treat it that way and not like a personal bank account where everyone gets a piece of the pie to spend on bull****. THAT would be the start of REAL change but Republicans or possibly (dare I say) a third party has to have the conviction and intestinal fortitude to actually do it. Until then... it's all a waste of time.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    The clear message has been sent - the question now: Are the Democrats listening? Because if they do not listen, you will be right; it's "WHEN" power shifts and not "IF" power shifts.
    I really don't care if they're listening or not. I prefer a very divisive government where little gets done due to petty partisan bickering.

    ..and I love filibusters. Nothing like watching minority obstructionists halting legislation dead in its tracks. The beauty of it is that both sides are fated to forever engage in this hypocritical behavior.


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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    Not without a serious shake up of the Republican party. Until they can put forth a more responsible policy for America, simply changing Democrats for Republicans will do nothing. Republicans have to consciously assert a more conservative method: smaller government, reduce the nanny state, cut expenditures and lower taxes. Include Democrats in the process and do what Obama has not - make it transparent. Lastly - be honest with the American people and stop some of the typical Washington porkfest of the taxpayers dollars. It's not the Government's money, it's the people's money. Treat it that way and not like a personal bank account where everyone gets a piece of the pie to spend on bull****. THAT would be the start of REAL change but Republicans or possibly (dare I say) a third party has to have the conviction and intestinal fortitude to actually do it. Until then... it's all a waste of time.
    I think that as much as the Liberals have overreached, that my dog could run against them and win.

    I mean, it's incredible how the Liberals saw a mandate from the people to destroy this country.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by CrusaderRabbit08 View Post
    I really don't care if they're listening or not. I prefer a very divisive government where little gets done due to petty partisan bickering.

    ..and I love filibusters. Nothing like watching minority obstructionists halting legislation dead in its tracks. The beauty of it is that both sides are fated to forever engage in this hypocritical behavior.

    I get ya ... but they're not bickering enough to make them totally useless yet. We have to stoke the fires a bit more so the fist fights start on the House floor and then we'll have a government that get's little to nothing done. How awesome would it be to see Bayner and Grayson in a hockey stance, pulling their suit jackets over each others heads and pounding each other? I'd watch C-Span for that - hell, I'd buy tickets if they sold em.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think that as much as the Liberals have overreached, that my dog could run against them and win.

    I mean, it's incredible how the Liberals saw a mandate from the people to destroy this country.
    To me it's just typical elitism at the leadership levels and just goes to show, they have the wrong people leading.
    “I think if Thomas Jefferson were looking down, the author of the Bill of Rights, on what’s being proposed here, he’d agree with it. He would agree that the First Amendment cannot be absolute.” - Chuck Schumer (D). Yet, Madison and Mason wrote the Bill of Rights, according to Sheila Jackson Lee, 400 years ago. Yup, it's a fact.


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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The message sent is not the message that most Republicans think.

    The Republicans lost big in 2008 because they were acting like Republicans.

    The Democrats are losing the support of America today because THEY are acting like Republicans. Not doing what they were elected to do.

    The message sent: The Democrats need to stop acting like Republicans and start doing what they were elected to do. If you are going to act like Republicans, then we might as well elect a Republican.
    LOL. Now that's denial in its grandest form.

    No, last night was the bluest state in the country completely throwing Obama's agenda in his face and saying, "get that **** outta here!!"

    It's over. This is a center-right country, and Obama's ideology is being rejected entirely, even in Massachusetts!!

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The Republicans lost in '08, because they were trying to hard to act like Liberals.

    The real message here is: Americans have rejected the Liberal agenda.

    Like Rush, I hoped that the Liberal agenda would be a massive failure and our prayers have been answered. It's time to take our country back.
    Are you trying to compete with the ride at Disney, cause you've got some great going on as well.

    You realize that Brown ran as a relatively moderate social conservative comparitive to the type of conservative you are, and what was in office for the past few years. He wasn't running on over turning Roe v. Wade, he wasn't running on a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage.

    The only part of the liberal platform this really points to is the Health Care platform, and even then to say that it shows "Americans" have rejected it when only a single state has, even if that state is definitely a blue one, is questionable.

    The republicans also didn't lose in 08 because they were trying to "act like liberals". McCain was actually trying to act more like the archtype conservative during the campaign than he had anytime in the 8 years prior. Palin was far from attmepting to act like a liberal.

    People throwing out this ignorant hyper partisan hack spin on both sides about why Republicans lost are at best delusional and at worst purposefully decieving and manipulating information because they don't give a damn about this country but simply scoring their own political points.

    Republicans lost because.......

    They had an extremely unpopular president from their party leaving the White House.

    The economy was doing poorly under the Republican President just prior to it.

    A segment of the republican base had became disengaged and disinterested in the party starting in 2006.

    A large segment of the base was unenthusiastic and unhappy about a John McCain candidacy.

    A extremely botched campaign by McCain that couldn't grab independents, and horrible political strategy after bringing Palin on making it even harder to get independents.

    The pop icon status of Obama, becoming not just a political pick but a "trendy" pick for people. It was suddenly "fashionable" to vote and be political interested for the first time in years upon years.

    The historical significance of an Obama election.

    The striking charismatic difference between Obama and McCain

    Etc

    People stupidly saying it was done largely because people "rejected the republican agenda" or because "Republicans acted like liberals" are just being intellectually dishonest or lazy in their examining of that situation.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    I think the biggest thing that surprises me is how little I care. Even when the dems have 58(60) seats, nothing good got done. So what does it matter really? Why should I, as a liberal, support a party that does not represent me even when given a great opportunity to do so. So, really, I simply do not care because I don't think this election is really going to change all that much.

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    Re: GOP's Brown wins Mass. Senate seat in epic upset

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    The message sent is not the message that most Republicans think.

    The Republicans lost big in 2008 because they were acting like Republicans.

    The Democrats are losing the support of America today because THEY are acting like Republicans. Not doing what they were elected to do.

    The message sent: The Democrats need to stop acting like Republicans and start doing what they were elected to do. If you are going to act like Republicans, then we might as well elect a Republican.
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