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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

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    I'm pretty sure I still have the right to keep and bear arms. It's not limited to government authority.
    The enforcement of your rights were never intended to be self-dependent.
    Weapons and the such are simply an additional boost to your personal security.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    2000 times in 5-years.
    400 times a year.
    33.33 calls per month.
    One per day.

    Well, I sure hope the folks that have their gonch in a wad over this take the 500 Raw FBI files of political opponents taken by The Clintons as seriously.

    Stuff that could do significant damage.

    Oh SNAP!

    Didn't happen.

    Nevermind.

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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    I love how people are implying others are going to commit criminal acts, yet have no problem continually dismissing that the FBI committed illegal acts. It doesn’t matter if you THINK or FEEL it SHOULD be legal, the fact is it isn’t, so the fact is no matter how ignorantly and rather jerkishly you want to imply others are going to break the law you’re excusing the people that actually ARE which shows your hypocrisy plainly.

    For those going “who cares, if it helps protect people”.

    How about DNA taken in a government database?
    Camera’s in your house connected to a government mainframe?
    GPS chips implanted?

    I mean, what extent are you fine with having the constitution shat on in the name of Saftey.

    Funny thing is, you people that are for that are the quickest to go “OMG NOEZ! THE 2ND AMENDMENT!!!!!!” if someone suggests making mandatory background checks.

    Your hypocritical application of the constitution is both hilarious and sickening.

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I love how people are implying others are going to commit criminal acts, yet have no problem continually dismissing that the FBI committed illegal acts.
    Just did another search through the entire thread.
    Couldn't find anyone who has stated that the FBI did not violate the law here.


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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Just did another search through the entire thread.
    Couldn't find anyone who has stated that the FBI did not violate the law here.


    Strange.
    Nope, but I can find a bunch of people quickly glossing over it and immedietely talking about how they should be able to do it and spending far more time implying that other forum members want to do criminal activity than actually stating that the FBI was wrong and should be held accountable for doing illegal action.

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Nope, but I can find a bunch of people quickly glossing over it and immedietely talking about how they should be able to do it and spending far more time implying that other forum members want to do criminal activity than actually stating that the FBI was wrong and should be held accountable for doing illegal action.
    Please do find such a poster.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Folks don't like it when their information is given to law-enforcing institutes.

    They feel it hurts their odds at getting clean out of a committed crime.
    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Correct.

    It's also the people who consider committing crimes in the future.
    Twice you do it. Not ONCE do you say that the FBI needs to have action taken against them, or that they were distinctly wrong. You've given a half assed "yeah, no ones above the law" comment followed by immeidetley saying why the FBI should be above the constitution though by legalizing such action and excusing it.

    You've spent more time actually implying forum members are just mad about this because they want to commit crimes than actually taking the FBI to task for doing ACTUAL, FACTUAL, now in the present day illegality not the hypothetical illegality you speak of when implying it to other posters. The most you give is a half assed "no ones above the law" in between excusing the FBI's actions and saying why they should be allowed to be above the constitution.

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I agree, the law is above everyone.
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    And at investigations when time is essential, it might have been a contributing decision, while law-violating, to take the call record without a warrant.
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    A minor break of freedom, and yes, it should be pointed out (once again) that the law is above everyone.
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    Nope, it's a breach of privacy, a much smaller threat than the breach of security.
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    The right to privacy is important, and violating it is bad, but it is nowhere near as important as the right to security.
    My advice to future Zyphlin would be to read entire threads before making accusations.

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Thanks for proving my point.

    You not once called for anything to be done to the FBI, specifically stated they were wrong, or even gave half the venom towards them you did other posters.

    All you did was give passing nods to them not being "above the law" while IMMEDIETELY jumping into excusing it and saying why they SHOULD be above the constitution by legalizing this kind of thing.

    For example, your last quote has you saying how the right to privacy is important and violating it is bad....and IMMEDIETELY excuse it by saying security is more important.

    The one above that you point out no ones above the law, but then you excuse their ACTUAL breaking of the law as simply a "minor" thing despite it being done to a large amount of people and is CLEARLY illegal.

    The one above that, again, acknowledges it was law violating, in the midst of completely and utterly justifying and excusing it.

    Thanks Apoc, you saved me some time. Your quotes are perfect examples of what little condemnation you had for the FBI, which was half hearted "it was bad" type statements surrounded by excuses, justifications, and rationalizations for why that's completely okay...

    But all you posters that disagree with it, clearly you're all planning criminal activites.


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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Thanks for proving my point.

    You not once called for anything to be done to the FBI, specifically stated they were wrong, or even gave half the venom towards them you did other posters.

    All you did was give passing nods to them not being "above the law" while IMMEDIETELY jumping into excusing it and saying why they SHOULD be above the constitution by legalizing this kind of thing.

    For example, your last quote has you saying how the right to privacy is important and violating it is bad....and IMMEDIETELY excuse it by saying security is more important.

    The one above that you point out no ones above the law, but then you excuse their ACTUAL breaking of the law as simply a "minor" thing despite it being done to a large amount of people and is CLEARLY illegal.

    The one above that, again, acknowledges it was law violating, in the midst of completely and utterly justifying and excusing it.

    Thanks Apoc, you saved me some time. Your quotes are perfect examples of what little condemnation you had for the FBI, which was half hearted "it was bad" type statements surrounded by excuses, justifications, and rationalizations for why that's completely okay...

    But all you posters that disagree with it, clearly you're all planning criminal activites.
    There there now, Zyph, let's keep things in proportion;

    * I have indeed stated that the action was wrong, unlike what you are claiming here, and my evidence is my previous post above.

    * I did not "give any venom" to any of the posters here, the statements you are referring to were done in a cynical manner.

    * It is a minor violation of the freedom to privacy, there's no way going around it - it's only a phone record.
    I would have strongly opposed it if the FBI were spying on people with cameras, that is a major violation of the individual's privacy and it is severely wrong.

    * What I was proposing was a partial legalization, with an emphasis on partial. I did not propose to completely change the definition of what counts as a violation of the individual's privacy, but only to allow this specific action in a limited form.

    So basically what I'm saying here is that the act was wrong, but was contributing, and hence, a partial legalization of the act should be considered.

    Since the action was taken at a time when there is a law against it, it was in violation of the law and therefore should receive the appropriate consequences, keeping in mind the seriousness of the violation.

    You've pretty much taken things to a completely-different level of severity, as if the FBI were monitoring individuals 24/7 and uploading the videos to you-tube.
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