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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    If the government oversteps its bounds and intrudes in my life and my privacy it is both a threat and a source of insecurity.
    So much for entirely destroying the definition of the rights.
    If a breach of privacy was a breach of security, there would be no need to divide them into two groups of severity.
    This is why there is this silly thing here in the U.S. that we decided to call our ahem.. bill of rights, they mention something about illegal search and seizure and all.
    Yeah. Under "violation of the right to privacy".
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    So much for entirely destroying the definition of the rights.
    If a breach of privacy was a breach of security, there would be no need to divide them into two groups of severity.
    Yeah. Under "violation of the right to privacy".
    did you not read the amendment I linked?

    note how it is worded:

    "The right of the people to be secure..."

    you can play semantics about definitions and "what right it is categorized as" and all, but fact is, if the government is overstepping their bounds they ARE violating my security and they ARE a threat. I have nothing to hide, and as such they have no reason to intrude.

    This is not some silly semantic definition of what "right" it can be worded on, it is personal, it is me looking out for ME, MINE and MY FAMILY. This (and the people as a whole) will ALWAYS come before the government, and a government intrusion on my privacy is most assuredly a breach of security - even more so since I have nothing to hide.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I did give you a real response.
    The hell you did. It was an emotional appeal that did not address the choice you posed in the post.

    A terrorist attack is not supposed to make you paranoid, even the families of 9-11 victims know that - IIRC, weren't they on the news a while back, and didn't they believe thatWBIs in airports would not have stopped the christmas bomber?

    But I asked YOU, not them. Isn't your statement bit of an unrealistic, fear driven ditchotomy, and not a reasonable or even likely ditchotomy?
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Tell that to the 9/11 families.
    Nothing like an emotional appeal exploiting the victims of 9/11.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    The hell you did. It was an emotional appeal that did not address the choice you posed in the post.

    A terrorist attack is not supposed to make you paranoid, even the families of 9-11 victims know that - IIRC, weren't they on the news a while back, and didn't they believe thatWBIs in airports would not have stopped the christmas bomber?

    But I asked YOU, not them. Isn't your statement bit of an unrealistic, fear driven ditchotomy, and not a reasonable or even likely ditchotomy?
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, you can't expect much when you ask a dumb
    Your inability to see a legit question and respond to it is not my problem.

    (If I really wanted to let you know how stupid your reply was just now, this topic (or these posts) would probably be in the sewer by now)
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If someone wants to make copies of my phone calls, I don't feel that my rights have been violated.

    The FBI has information where I made a call at H-hour on D-day. So what?
    Without your consent or a warrant? Then yes your rights have indeed been violated regardless of what you might feel.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by marduc View Post
    did you not read the amendment I linked?
    Indeed I have.
    note how it is worded:

    "The right of the people to be secure..."

    you can play semantics about definitions and "what right it is categorized as" and all
    Call it playing semantics, call it whatever you want.
    You have taken the paragraph out of its context by picking the word "secure" and changing its meaning in the paragraph from the privacy of a person to his personal security.
    but fact is, if the government is overstepping their bounds they ARE violating my security and they ARE a threat. I have nothing to hide, and as such they have no reason to intrude.

    This is not some silly semantic definition of what "right" it can be worded on, it is personal, it is me looking out for ME, MINE and MY FAMILY. This (and the people as a whole) will ALWAYS come before the government, and a government intrusion on my privacy is most assuredly a breach of security - even more so since I have nothing to hide.
    I have yet to hear on a person who has died because he's been frisked by a police officer.
    The right to privacy is important, and violating it is bad, but it is nowhere near as important as the right to security.
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