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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    The law is for every one, not just for some. If, as it appears, law enforcement is not following the law, this is a problem and has to be corrected. How benign the violation is, or how worthy the cause is entirely irrelevant. We are, and should remain, a nation of laws.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I mean like potential threats.
    The FBI know who their suspects are.
    Are you really trying to assert that the FBI considered NYT and WP reporters as "suspect or a potential threat?"

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Are you really trying to assert that the FBI considered NYT and WP reporters as "suspect or a potential threat?"
    Nope.





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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Nope.
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    Okay, then where were you going with this?
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    Not to mention that the call history is only taken if the FBI considers you a suspect or a potential threat.

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    I mean like potential threats.
    The FBI know who their suspects are.
    Because the original article clearly stated that Washington Post and New York Times reporters were searched improperly.

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Okay, then where were you going with this?

    Because the original article clearly stated that Washington Post and New York Times reporters were searched improperly.
    Where was I going with my statement that the FBI searches the phone record of suspects and potential threats?
    I wasn't going anywhere, there's no hidden part in that statement.

    Was I trying to assert that the specific journalists were seen as potential threats/suspects by the FBI?
    Nope, that would not be my assertion, and my post was not made in order to present the situation as such.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Until someone slips through the cracks and frags a few hundred people. Then, you'll wondering why no one tried to stop them.
    False ditchotomy much?

    It is certainly not a matter as dire as this choice makes it seem.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    illegal phone record searches certainly helped them interdict a terrorist who's own father indicated his danger.

    all this illegal bull**** hasn't made us safer at all because it's carried out by idiots.
    And why does your tone suggest that you do not care about children?

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Contrary to popular belief, it is not really easy for the FBI (or any other law-enforcing institution) to receive a warrant from the court.
    It requires a difficult procedure, as any other appeal to the court.

    And at investigations when time is essential, it might have been a contributing decision, while law-violating, to take the call record without a warrant.

    I seriously doubt its that hard for the FBI. Surely there a Judge or two that works in close enough proximity to key FBI persons that a warrant can be obtained. Also the old law said they could get a warrant upto 72 hrs AFTER they tapped. A warrant helps track who was tapped and why. Someone stated call history wasn't a big deal. Losing Freedoms, even small ones is a big deal. Why? Because often times a lost freedom started out small with good intentions but grew.....

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Travelsonic View Post
    False ditchotomy much?

    It is certainly not a matter as dire as this choice makes it seem.
    Tell that to the 9/11 families.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Are you really trying to assert that the FBI considered NYT and WP reporters as "suspect or a potential threat?"
    NYT reporters have illegally released classified info, so yes, I would say that they might fall into the category of, "suspect, or potential threat".
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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