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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Folks don't like it when their information is given to law-enforcing institutes.

    They feel it hurts their odds at getting clean out of a committed crime.
    That's all this pontificating accomplishes.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think you're blowing it all out of proportion. What do they really have?
    The ability to obtain my papers without proper warrant or oversight. That's my information, a company holds it but it's mine. If the government wants it, they can go get a warrant. It's that simple, we have legal procedures by which government can get the information. They can use those channels. Nothing extra-Constitutional though. I don't like it.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Oh, bull****.

    It's not just people who have committed crimes who don't want the FBI going through their phone records.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The ability to obtain my papers without proper warrant or oversight. That's my information, a company holds it but it's mine. If the government wants it, they can go get a warrant. It's that simple, we have legal procedures by which government can get the information. They can use those channels. Nothing extra-Constitutional though. I don't like it.
    I agree, it's a very slippery slope. Legal rules are there for a reason.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, bull****.

    It's not just people who have committed crimes who don't want the FBI going through their phone records.
    Correct.

    It's also the people who consider committing crimes in the future.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The ability to obtain my papers without proper warrant or oversight. That's my information, a company holds it but it's mine. If the government wants it, they can go get a warrant. It's that simple, we have legal procedures by which government can get the information. They can use those channels. Nothing extra-Constitutional though. I don't like it.
    Your phone records aren't your papers. There's nothing there for the FBI to use against you.

    If these were records of bank transactions? Yeah. Phone call transcripts? Hell, yeah! But, call history? Again; so what?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your phone records aren't your papers. There's nothing there for the FBI to use against you.

    If these were records of bank transactions? Yeah. Phone call transcripts? Hell, yeah! But, call history? Again; so what?
    The so what is that if they want the information, they have to obtain a warrant. They can't just go and get whatever information they want from companies through bullying or force or whatever other option is open to government. It's not that difficult if you have reasonable suspicion to get the warrant, so they can go and get the warrant. And the system is in place to prevent abuse, so I'd rather go through the system designed to protect the rights and liberties of the individual instead of just brushing this off as a "whatever" thing.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Your phone records aren't your papers. There's nothing there for the FBI to use against you.

    If these were records of bank transactions? Yeah. Phone call transcripts? Hell, yeah! But, call history? Again; so what?
    Not to mention that the call history is only taken if the FBI considers you a suspect or a potential threat.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Not to mention that the call history is only taken if the FBI considers you a suspect or a potential threat.
    All the more easier for them to just obtain the warrant.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Not to mention that the call history is only taken if the FBI considers you a suspect or a potential threat.
    Yeppers!

    I've rethunk my position. If they want to listen in on my calls, that's fine. They won't hear anything interesting...lol
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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