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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    I'm glad we are in agreement.
    K. But the FBI has already shown the willingness to break the law to get what they want. So first, shouldn't we deal with that before we grant them more power against our rights?
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    K. But the FBI has already shown the willingness to break the law to get what they want. So first, shouldn't we deal with that before we grant them more power against our rights?
    It should have its consequences.

    And I wouldn't call it "power", but flexibility.
    It is not entirely different, that I know, but the small difference is important.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    And you are able to understand my position on it from my post, that I'm sure of.
    So little violations are okay in your book.

    Funny, I saw no exception in the text of the amendment for minor violations. Did I misread it?

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    It should have its consequences.
    It does have consequences. It's called the Exclusionary Rule. Perhaps we should start enforcing the consequences?

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Among those whose phone records were searched improperly were journalists for The Washington Post and the New York Times, according to interviews with government officials.
    Well, not to defend the FBI's actions, but The NY Times and WaPo could easily be mistaken for terrorist enabling cells.

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    So little violations are okay in your book.
    Never have I said so.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Coronado View Post
    It does have consequences. It's called the Exclusionary Rule. Perhaps we should start enforcing the consequences?
    While keeping relevance to the level of severity of the committed violation, yes.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    It should have its consequences.

    And I wouldn't call it "power", but flexibility.
    It is not entirely different, that I know, but the small difference is important.
    Ok. Well I think we can take the position that until there are consequences for their actions, we don't entertain the notion of granting them more power.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ok. Well I think we can take the position that until there are consequences for their actions, we don't entertain the notion of granting them more power.
    I have no opposition to that.
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    Re: FBI broke law for years in phone record searches

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    Never have I said so.
    So why do you make the distinction?

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