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    Re: US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea however there are also comments about bias by the US military, which can easily lead to people claiming "occupation" and worse. If you have noticed that the first few days, it was "the US has taken over" bla bla.. and now it is more "the US is working under the authority of the Hatian national government and the UN" or something similar. That is a mark change in attitude for some reason.

    But much of it is due to frustration and lack of communication. For example, the French sent a plane with a mobile hospital but was at first denied landing permission in Haiti. They did get it in the next day but why was it denied in the first place no one can explain. I also know that the British have complained over the fact that their search and resuce teams cant get their equipment into Haiti.. the plane carrying the equipment has been turned away 4+ times and what could be more important than a hospital and heavy lifting gear? Another example was flights from the US where supposedly the US denied non American aid workers access to US military flights at first. Situations like this only works right into the sceptics hands especially when they go unexplained.

    Plus like it or not the US (or France) does not have the best reputation in Haiti due to its past meddling in its politics so having US troops pour in as they are could easily by the locals be seen as an invasion.
    I think you're right about the frustration and lack of communication. They're all dealing with a logistical nightmare over there and I'm not surprised tempers are flaring. I don't think the French official really meant what he said, he was probably just fed up and venting. The only one who's seriously said anything about the US "occupying" Haiti was the lunatic in Venezuela. But does anyone really care what Chavez says anymore?
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    Re: US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in

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    US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in - Telegraph

    I thought Obama was supposed to fix this occupation perception stuff?
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    Perhaps he should go on another Bowing and Apology Tour; that should fix it.

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    Re: US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why the **** would we want that ****hole?
    And why the **** do we care what some guy from France says? Oh, I know, it's a chance to take a cheap political shot.
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    Re: US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in

    It appears to me that it was just a case of a bruised (albeit still inflated) ego.

    The French minister in charge of humanitarian relief called on the UN to "clarify" the American role amid claims the military build up was hampering aid efforts.

    Alain Joyandet admitted he had been involved in a scuffle with a US commander in the airport's control tower over the flight plan for a French evacuation flight.
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    Re: US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin_Kaine View Post
    To suggest that the US would use this disaster as an excuse to occupy Haiti is ridiculous, unless there is some shortage of chicken feet that I am not aware of.
    Don't say that too loud or you'll have China coming to Haiti to show us Americans how a real occupation goes ...

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    Re: US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Yea however there are also comments about bias by the US military, which can easily lead to people claiming "occupation" and worse. If you have noticed that the first few days, it was "the US has taken over" bla bla.. and now it is more "the US is working under the authority of the Hatian national government and the UN" or something similar. That is a mark change in attitude for some reason.

    But much of it is due to frustration and lack of communication. For example, the French sent a plane with a mobile hospital but was at first denied landing permission in Haiti. They did get it in the next day but why was it denied in the first place no one can explain. I also know that the British have complained over the fact that their search and resuce teams cant get their equipment into Haiti.. the plane carrying the equipment has been turned away 4+ times and what could be more important than a hospital and heavy lifting gear? Another example was flights from the US where supposedly the US denied non American aid workers access to US military flights at first. Situations like this only works right into the sceptics hands especially when they go unexplained.

    Plus like it or not the US (or France) does not have the best reputation in Haiti due to its past meddling in its politics so having US troops pour in as they are could easily by the locals be seen as an invasion.
    From what I heard on the radio, the plane was denied landing because there was a complete gridlock at the airport. Yes, someone screwed up prioritizing, but that's all it was: it was an error, not some conspiracy.
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    Re: US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They didn't properly coordinate their arrival. There might have been other gear that was of a higher priority. Perhaps there just wasn't anywhere to put them once they landed. The reasons are endless.

    Right now, food and water are priority one. Looking for dead people is probably last on the list.

    But, hey, it don't matter what the US does, someone's going to cry about it.
    Food and water are the Hatians priority. Securing the airport, distribution points, communications etc is the actual priority. Otherwise the food and water sits on the apron because it can't go anywhere.

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    Re: US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in

    Quote Originally Posted by Martin_Kaine View Post
    To suggest that the US would use this disaster as an excuse to occupy Haiti is ridiculous, unless there is some shortage of chicken feet that I am not aware of.
    Gives you somewhere to ship the Gitmo prisoners?

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    Re: US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Why the **** would we want that ****hole?
    Because if we go ahead and colonize Haiti, we might be able to stop pouring money into a bottomless pit and start making a little money off the place for a change.

    The trend seems to be that we have to go in every few years, dumps millions of dollars to bail them out, only to allow them to run the country into the ground and have to do it all over again.
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    Re: US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in

    Quote Originally Posted by MsRetro View Post
    From what I heard on the radio, the plane was denied landing because there was a complete gridlock at the airport. Yes, someone screwed up prioritizing, but that's all it was: it was an error, not some conspiracy.
    the airport has one runway. It can hold one large plane or 4 smaller. Theyre having to queue up planes until there is space on the ground. The most the airport was doing before was 30 flights we're now doing 180 flights a day out of there. The main seaport isnt operable so yeah its a logistical nightmare

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