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US accused of 'occupying' Haiti as troops flood in

Hatuey said:
Did you read my post? I said it suggests and says nothing concrete. If I accused you of something I wouldn't say "This isn't about a murder, it is about providing help to the victim" when talking to you. Why? Because I would not be saying much in regards to whether you committed the murder now would I? Please learn to read articles properly.
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Yeah, I read it.

Hatuey said:
Did you people read the same article I did? Because at no point does he say that the U.S. is trying to occupy the country. The article seems to be quite misleading and suggests a lot but doesn't have anything concrete.
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You said that the article is misleading, which it isn't.
 
apdst said:
Yeah, I read it.

You said that the article is misleading, which it isn't.
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It very much is. Show where he accuses the U.S. of trying to occupy a country. Here is the definition of accusing :

accuse - definition of accuse by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

ac·cuse (-kyz)
v. ac·cused, ac·cus·ing, ac·cus·es
v.tr.
1. To charge with a shortcoming or error.
2. To charge formally with a wrongdoing.
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Where in that quote is he talking about the U.S.? No. The article is in fact misleading.
 
apdst said:
Simple: Cut a deal with Cuba to start drilling the North Cuba Basin. Locate a refinery in Haiti. In addition, there are oil reserves in Haiti. We could encourage American companies to perform e&p operations in Haiti, thereby creating a larger job market in the country. Instead of Nike, or Matel relocating to China, the government could encourage them to relocate to Haiti.
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And have a another slave republic? :roll: And making deals with Cuba? I am certain Cuba would love giving up it's oil to Haiti for the US to use.

apdst said:
Sometimes, it amazes me how some folks can't think outside the box.
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Outside the box my ass. This is the same kind of mentality that got them into this kind of a mess in the first place.

apdst said:
I know we can only protect the country from mother nature. There aren't any natural events happening in Haiti that don't occur in the US. At least Haiti doesn't have massive tornado clusters, at least I don't think they do, anyway.
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Hurricanes have hundreds of small destructive tornado's inside of them. So yea they do.

They do not have the economic base or population to deal with this like the US. To even make such a comparison is just naive.

apdst said:
As far as the geo-political crap goes, that's just more reason to colonize the place.
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Same old slave mentality. :roll:
 
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apdst said:
I already did. You're welcome.
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How can you say he accused them and then suggested at the same time? No. You either accuse or you suggest. You can't do both. Thanks for trying though.
 
Blackdog said:
And have a another slave republic? :roll: And making deals with Cuba? I am certain Cuba would love giving up it's oil to Hati for the US to use.
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Creating a job market, where people make stready wages equates to slavery, now? I think you're smarter than that.



Outside the box my ass. This is the same kind of mentality that got them into this kind of a mess in the first place.
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Giving them jobs got them to where they are? And, your solution is to leave them without jobs and swimming in poverty? Sorry, but I don't agree that that will fix anything.



Hurricanes have hundreds of small destructive tornado's inside of them. So yea they do.
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True, but they get tornados with your garden variety thunderstorm like what happens here in the states.

They do not have the economic base or population to deal with this like the US. To even make such a comparison is just naive.
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Hence the reason to grow some kind of industry in Haiti.



Same old slave mentality. :roll:
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Yeah, and the folks in charge, to date, have been doing such a wonderful job?
 
Hatuey said:
How can you say he accused them and then suggested at the same time? No. You either accuse or you suggest. You can't do both. Thanks for trying though.
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Typical debate over samantics, rather than facts and ideas. Nothing new to see here.
 
apdst said:
Typical debate over samantics, rather than facts and ideas. Nothing new to see here.
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Your inability to comprehend literature shames black people with IQs above 90.
 
apdst said:
Creating a job market, where people make stready wages equates to slavery, now? I think you're smarter than that.
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This is the same thing they thought colonialism would do. You can see how that worked out so well.

apdst said:
Giving them jobs got them to where they are? And, your solution is to leave them without jobs and swimming in poverty? Sorry, but I don't agree that that will fix anything.
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Taking away the self rule will not make it better. We see how well it is working in Iraq. We gave it back to them and we still can't leave. I guess some people never learn.

apdst said:
True, but they get tornados with your garden variety thunderstorm like what happens here in the states.
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I am sorry I guess you have never been in a tropical storm have you? Again the US has the infrastructure and population to deal with it, Haiti does not. Did you miss it when I said it earlier?

apdst said:
Hence the reason to grow some kind of industry in Haiti.
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Yea because sweat shops are the wave of the future.

apdst said:
Yeah, and the folks in charge, to date, have been doing such a wonderful job?
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Does not give us the right to do anything.
 
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SgtRock said:
You mean its not always Bushs fault? Thats all I heard during the last 9 years was how everything is Bushs fault. Seems the shoe is on the other foot now.
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It's still Bush's fault. He clearly was an Imperialist, and the world is still sore about it. That's why the accusations are coming against a new President who is clearly NOT an Imperialist. They don't know Obama like we do, though they do trust him more than they did Bush. Thank god.
 
Blackdog said:
This is the same thing they thought colonialism would do. You can see how that worked out so well.
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The colonization of Haiti and the importation of slaves to the island was never intended to make a better life and create a more viable economy for the Haitian people. Spurring entrepreneurship wasn't the goal.

What I'm talking about is putting people to work, give them a chance to make steady paychecks, create a tax base to support the government, create a situation where the best and brightest don't get their asses up outta there, the first chance they get, leaving just the idiots and the criminals to govern the country. It's certainly going to work better than the system that is currently in place.



Taking away the self rule will not make it better. We see how well it is working in Iraq. I guess some people never learn.
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I'm not talking about taking away self rule. I'm talking about doing some baby-sitting for a few decades.



I am sorry I guess you have never been in a tropical storm have you?
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In recent memory, I've rode out hurricanes Gustav, Ike, Rita, Katrina and Lily. That's just the ones I can call to mind. I grew up in Louisiana, whatta you think?

Again the US has the infrastructure and population to deal with it, Haiti does not. Did you miss it when I said it earlier?
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Population is relative and the infrastructure will never come, without some economic stability.



Yea because sweat shops are the wave of the future.
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Now, you're just being negative.



Does not give us the right to do anything.
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If the US isn't going to try to trully fix things in Haiti, then I vote we stop wasting our money on them.
 
Dezaad said:
It's still Bush's fault. He clearly was an Imperialist, and the world is still sore about it. That's why the accusations are coming against a new President who is clearly NOT an Imperialist. They don't know Obama like we do, though they do trust him more than they did Bush. Thank god.
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Oh, no! The world loves us since PBO got elected.
 
apdst said:
The colonization of Haiti and the importation of slaves to the island was never intended to make a better life and create a more viable economy for the Haitian people. Spurring entrepreneurship wasn't the goal.

What I'm talking about is putting people to work, give them a chance to make steady paychecks, create a tax base to support the government, create a situation where the best and brightest don't get their asses up outta there, the first chance they get, leaving just the idiots and the criminals to govern the country. It's certainly going to work better than the system that is currently in place.

I'm not talking about taking away self rule. I'm talking about doing some baby-sitting for a few decades.

In recent memory, I've rode out hurricanes Gustav, Ike, Rita, Katrina and Lily. That's just the ones I can call to mind. I grew up in Louisiana, whatta you think?

Population is relative and the infrastructure will never come, without some economic stability.

Now, you're just being negative.

If the US isn't going to try to trully fix things in Haiti, then I vote we stop wasting our money on them.
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Good thing for us some people remember the past so we are not doomed to repeat it.
 
Hatuey said:
Your inability to comprehend literature shames black people with IQs above 90.
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Moderator's Warning:
Watch it, Hatuey... keep it civil and stop the personal attacks.
 
SE102 said:
There were no people at the opening at Euro-Disneyland. Shows what you know.:)
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There was pyro and the French government did send word of their surrender to the gates!

:)
 
Blackdog said:
Good thing for us some people remember the past so we are not doomed to repeat it.
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We wouldn't be repeating mistakes of the past. Sometimes, folks totally misinterpret history.
 
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apdst said:
We wouldn't be repeating mistakes of the past. Sometimes, folks totally misinterpret history.
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Yes we would, and we still have not learned our lesson.
 
SgtRock said:
You mean its not always Bushs fault? Thats all I heard during the last 9 years was how everything is Bushs fault. Seems the shoe is on the other foot now.
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Yes it's the same thing. Too bad people can't see they are just as partisan as the left was for 9 years. :mrgreen:
 
misterman said:
Speaking of hurricanes, remember when Pat Robertson said God was going to send a hurricane to hit Disney World because of it's support for gays? The very next hurricane to hit land in the U.S. that season went almost right over Robertson's headquarters.
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Was it also Robertson that said Katrina was due to the sins of New Orleans? Funny though the sleaziest section of New Orleans (the French Quarter)was spared as it was on high ground. :rofl
 
Blackdog said:
Sometimes your posts amaze me. Do you know what Haiti's only national resource is? Sugarcane, thats it. Please explain with the largest market "the US" set up to use high fructose corn syrup, what are the mostly poor people of Haiti to do? Sugar is not exactly a huge import anyplace.
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Sugar Cane is great for ethanol production. Ask Brazil. They import no fuel as it's all home grown ethanol from sugar cane.
 
Es fácil a asumir que los Estados Unidos necesitan un otra nacíon a explotar todos alles las cabecitas negras in Haiti. Tal ves presidente Obama deberado a pedir el presidente de Haiti sí iramos?

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It's probably lack of retrospection that would lead one to think that the united states is eager for another country to exploit. But it would be a simple matter to simple ask Haiti point blank if they would like us to leave, and and then act accordingly. It's obvious they won't, thus it's obvious we won't be occuping the country. And since so many of you don't seem to give a **** about the disaster there, well, I'm sure you'd be very happy if the haitians gave us the opportunity to not give a ****, eh?
 
apdst said:
If the US isn't going to try to trully fix things in Haiti, then I vote we stop wasting our money on them.
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I totally agree with this provided apdst is talking about tax dollars being spent versus private donations.

To all you bleeding heart liberals I say "sell your house and donate it to whoever you want".

If you want US Taxpayer money to fund this mission, there better be a US friendly government and a self supporting nation when we are done with it.
 
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