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U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes

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I believe they have been doing it since the company's inspection in 1981, it has nothing to do with the military or religious war its a nod to the religious persuasion of the founder of the company. I don't have an issue with this at all


U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes - ABC News

Photos of Jesus Codes:
Read the Secret 'Jesus' Messages on U.S. Military Weapons - ABC News

Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

More at link above:
 
It's nonsense.

The customer didn't ask for religious decorations, it shouldn't be getting them.

It's a friggin' gun sight, not a prosyletizing campaign button. The government should stop accepting shipments that have this grafitti on them. It shouldn't do anything else, since the sights apparently work to spec, but the bad habit should stop.

So long as the damn pacifist liberals don't start claiming the cross hairs are a religious statement.
 
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If the weapons had Islamic words on them would you have a problem with it? Which religious inscriptions would you not find acceptable?

Remember, your tax dollars are paying for this.
The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

Boy that's a lot of money. I bet that defense contractor hopes our wars in the Middle East never end huh?
 
Oh I'll bet our troops read the Bible passage before each shot. It's like Cracker Jacks, you never know what Bible verse will show up. :roll: Hey they could have the verse display inside the sight as the soldier looks through it.
 
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If the weapons had Islamic words on them would you have a problem with it? Which religious inscriptions would you not find acceptable?

Remember, your tax dollars are paying for this.


Boy that's a lot of money. I bet that defense contractor hopes our wars in the Middle East never end huh?

Yes, along with all of the other defense contractors, and their lobbyists.

I wonder if there are any references to doing good to our enemies, turning the other cheek, and loving our neighbors? No, we can't have that sort of thing, now can we?

Not when there is a $660 million contract at stake.
 
Next time I buy night-sites, I'll buy Trijicon. I like it.:mrgreen:

I want mine to read PSA144, which begins:

Blessed be the LORD my strength, which teacheth my hands to war, and my fingers to fight:
My goodness, and my fortress; my high tower, and my deliverer; my shield, and he in whom I trust; who subdueth my people under me

I amuses me that they're calling it "Jesus code". It isn't code... its just shorthand notation... any Christian will look at 2COR4:6 and know that it means Second Corinthians, Ch4 Verse 6...we just don't write out the long version because it is long.
 
Yes, along with all of the other defense contractors, and their lobbyists.

I wonder if there are any references to doing good to our enemies, turning the other cheek, and loving our neighbors? No, we can't have that sort of thing, now can we?

Not when there is a $660 million contract at stake.

LOL! Yeah. Nobody wants a bible if you have to abide by the whole thing. It's way more fun to pick the passages that suit the moment.

"Selective Christianity". Nice.
 
LOL! Yeah. Nobody wants a bible if you have to abide by the whole thing. It's way more fun to pick the passages that suit the moment.

"Selective Christianity". Nice.

Beg pardon, but those who attempt to link Christianity with Pacifism are the ones engaging in selective-christianity. Verses can't simply be plucked individually out of context and used to prove a point...the bible as a whole has to be considered, first principle of hermaneutics (interpretation).

Taken as a whole, the Bible is peaceful but not pacifist.

Come to think of it, this is probably not the venue for this discussion...the thread, or the subforum or even the whole site for that matter.

G.
 
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Beg pardon, but those who attempt to link Christianity with Pacifism are the ones engaging in selective-christianity. Verses can't simply be plucked individually out of context and used to prove a point...the bible as a whole hads to be considered, first principle of hermaneutics (interpretation).

Taken as a whole, the Bible is peaceful but not pacifist.

Come to think of it, this is probably not the venue for this discussion...the thread, or the subforum or even the whole site for that matter.

G.

How can the whole site NOT be the venue for discussion? It's a forum. It's a topic regarding taxpayer funded weapons and Christian inscriptions. How is that not up for discussion?
 
How can the whole site NOT be the venue for discussion? It's a forum. It's a topic regarding taxpayer funded weapons and Christian inscriptions. How is that not up for discussion?


Not that; the issue of attempting to tar Christians with the hypocrisy-brush for not being pacifistic... even though the Bible isn't pacifistic. Getting into that discussion, however, would involve a lot of heavy scripture references and theological discussion...wrong subforum for that, and frankly I've found attempts at religious discussion on DP to be so unproductive that it isn't really worth it most of the time.


My opinion is, "So Trijicon puts small references to Scripture on their sights...so what? You don't like it, buy Eotech."
 
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Not that; the issue of attempting to tar Christians with the hypocrisy-brush for not being pacifistic... even though the Bible isn't pacifistic. Getting into that discussion, however, would involve a lot of heavy scripture references and theological discussion...wrong subforum for that, and frankly I've found attempts at religious discussion on DP to be so unproductive that it isn't really worth it most of the time.

Ah got it. Thanks.


My opinion is, "So Trijicon puts small references to Scripture on their sights...so what? You don't like it, buy Eotech."

Well there's a bigger issue. These weapons are paid for with taxpayer money. The question is whether they should be putting religious scripture of any kind on their weapons, Christian or otherwise.
 
Well there's a bigger issue. These weapons are paid for with taxpayer money. The question is whether they should be putting religious scripture of any kind on their weapons, Christian or otherwise.

Actually, IMO, the question is whether the government entities who awarded them the contract were aware of this bit.
If they were, then any blame assigned because of this should be aimed at those government entities. Unless, of course, the manufacturing company which made them did it on the sly, without telling their buyer.

If said government entities were not aware, then why not?
 
Actually, IMO, the question is whether the government entities who awarded them the contract were aware of this bit.
If they were, then any blame assigned because of this should be aimed at those government entities. Unless, of course, the manufacturing company which made them did it on the sly, without telling their buyer.

If said government entities were not aware, then why not?

If the government entities were aware of the transcriptions the question still remains. Is it acceptable?

If the government was not originally aware then the next question is - what will they do about it now that they are?

If we're going to have Christian inscriptions on taxpayer purchased weapons then shouldn't we also have other religions represented? Suppose a Jewish American is blasting away at a couple of bad guys. Shouldn't he have a little Hebrew inscription on his gun? Remember, they all pay taxes so they all helped pay for'em.
 
What I do not like is liberal anti-christian ABC News alerting the enemy to this by reporting it.
 
What I do not like is liberal anti-christian ABC News alerting the enemy to this by reporting it.

What proof do you have that ABC News is "Anti-Christian"?

How would it effect our enemies if they knew of the Christian Inscriptions on the gun sights? Would our enemies suddenly become immune to the bullets?
 
What proof do you have that ABC News is "Anti-Christian"?

How would it effect our enemies if they knew of the Christian Inscriptions on the gun sights? Would our enemies suddenly become immune to the bullets?

No, but it gives them a propaganda weapon.
 
So maybe that's one more good reason not to put the inscriptions on the sights.

Well, yes, that is why it is a bad thing, as now it can be used as propaganda.

I don't know why they were put there, if these sights were going to an area where our soldiers would be fighting those whould would use such against us.

Even if it was a standard company practice to inscribe such, one would think the contract would specify against it, or that they would not get said contract in the first place. Which is why I have questions for those who awarded them the contract.
 
I believe they have been doing it since the company's inspection in 1981, it has nothing to do with the military or religious war its a nod to the religious persuasion of the founder of the company. I don't have an issue with this at all


U.S. Military Weapons Inscribed With Secret 'Jesus' Bible Codes - ABC News

Photos of Jesus Codes:
Read the Secret 'Jesus' Messages on U.S. Military Weapons - ABC News

Coded references to New Testament Bible passages about Jesus Christ are inscribed on high-powered rifle sights provided to the United States military by a Michigan company, an ABC News investigation has found.

The sights are used by U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan and in the training of Iraqi and Afghan soldiers. The maker of the sights, Trijicon, has a $660 million multi-year contract to provide up to 800,000 sights to the Marine Corps, and additional contracts to provide sights to the U.S. Army.

U.S. military rules specifically prohibit the proselytizing of any religion in Iraq or Afghanistan and were drawn up in order to prevent criticism that the U.S. was embarked on a religious "Crusade" in its war against al Qaeda and Iraqi insurgents.

One of the citations on the gun sights, 2COR4:6, is an apparent reference to Second Corinthians 4:6 of the New Testament, which reads: "For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, hath shined in our hearts, to give the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ."

Other references include citations from the books of Revelation, Matthew and John dealing with Jesus as "the light of the world." John 8:12, referred to on the gun sights as JN8:12, reads, "Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life."

More at link above:

I'm sure Jesus would be happy. It was probably his goal to have his name tagged on weapons which kill other humans. Cause he totally wasn't a peaceful guy telling people they need to get along and be good to each other.
 
And lefties wonder why the MSM is losing credibility? There are SERIOUS issues that affect our country, but a 28 year old "issue" is suddenly worth reporting on?

Oye.
 
If said government entities were not aware, then why not?

Because they're gunsights, not fatigue-critical or life-limited airframe parts. Inspectors are going to check fit, form, and function, and the addition of some random stamped letters in an inconspicuous spot is probably not going to raise any flags.

That being said, it shouldn't have been done.
 
Oy vey, as the Chosen say...

Look... when you're in the ****, you want the best weapons, sights, etc you can get, regardless of who makes them.

There is a company called Kahr Arms...it is owned by Justin Moon, who is the son or grandson of Sum Yung Moon, founder of the Unification Church or Moonies. Supposedly at one time, the UC owned some of the stock in Kahr Arms.

It is my opinion that Sum Yung Moon is a huge fraud, and that he is taking advantage of gullible people for his own benefit and so forth. To say I have a very low opinion of SY Moon and his "church" would be putting it mildly.

I own a Kahr .40 Compact, had it for most of a decade. It is one of my favorite carry guns, because it is a quality firearm: accurate, reliable, plenty of firepower but readily concealeable, with a number of features I consider important in a CCW.

Yeah, it chaps my assets a bit that some of the money I paid for that pistol probably found its way into the coffers of the Unification Church. BUT, that wasn't as important to me as having a firearm I could depend on to fulfill certain criteria that might save my life or someone else's life one day. Who made it, what their religion was, and so on was a trivial concern by comparison.

The soldiers in the field, whether they are Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Pagan or Atheist, are probably FAR more concerned about whether their Trijicon sights will help them put rounds into the enemy than whether Trijicon inscribed JON3:16 on the sight.


This issue is trivial.
 
Yes, the issue is trivial in that I'd not recommend replacing or rejecting these sites because of this extra lettering.

I would see that future contracts be a little tighter about the product being bought to stop this. I mean, you know someone is being paid to stamp the letters on, and that's coming from the taxpayer.

Outside of the Hello Kitty M-16 I'm not a big fan of cutesy in weapons.
 
So maybe that's one more good reason not to put the inscriptions on the sights.

The only reason this was made a issue was because of some non religous group. It goes back to being Politically Correct because it might offend people.
 
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