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    Re: Regulate us lobbyists? No problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    actually, the political bribery situation might get worse very soon. The supreme court is expected to produce a very pro business ruling on this case which will pretty much allow corporations to spend all the money they please on future elections, which will pretty much destroy any hope of representation for citizens.

    Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission - ScotusWiki
    As opposed to the current system, where those same corporations can just funnel all that money to PACs that do the exact same thing?

    The idea that "campaign finance reform" actually keeps money out of politics or somehow protects your representation is one of the more pernicious myths in politics. I can't wait for the court to dump the BCRA in Citizens United. T-minus 13 hours and counting...
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    Re: Regulate us lobbyists? No problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    It's about time to toss the old government in the trash can of history and start over.......... with the same constitution we have now, but none of the laws or precedents. Then read that constitution word for word, and shoot any judge that can't read.
    Let's be honest: a lot of constitution comes up to interpretation. Take Freedom of Speech for instance, the court is still trying to define where the line for protection of speech is, and where is stops. Is an armband protected speech? Hanging a soldier in effigy? You may have your own opinions of issues like these, but you can understand how reasonable people would disagree. It's nowhere as simple as you make it sound.
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    Re: Regulate us lobbyists? No problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    Let's be honest: a lot of constitution comes up to interpretation. Take Freedom of Speech for instance, the court is still trying to define where the line for protection of speech is, and where is stops. Is an armband protected speech? Hanging a soldier in effigy? You may have your own opinions of issues like these, but you can understand how reasonable people would disagree. It's nowhere as simple as you make it sound.
    Have you ever read the constitution? It's a pretty short document, and is written in simple, easy to understand language.

    Here, try it.

    The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

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    Re: Regulate us lobbyists? No problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by Winnb View Post
    Without money, gifts, and favors what would our government have left?
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    Re: Regulate us lobbyists? No problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Have you ever read the constitution? It's a pretty short document, and is written in simple, easy to understand language.

    Here, try it.

    The United States Constitution - The U.S. Constitution Online - USConstitution.net

    Tell me what you don't understand or isn't clear to you.
    What I don't understand is what the limits are for what speech is protected under the first amendment, and to what extent. Is an armband "speech"? Can an advertiser lie about his product under the first? Can I say "I saw Crunch ****ing a goat" without consequence? If I make a parody of a Disney movie, can Disney sue me for copyright infringement, or are parodies covered? None of these questions are answered in the constitution.
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    Re: Regulate us lobbyists? No problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    What I don't understand is what the limits are for what speech is protected under the first amendment, and to what extent. Is an armband "speech"? Can an advertiser lie about his product under the first? Can I say "I saw Crunch ****ing a goat" without consequence? If I make a parody of a Disney movie, can Disney sue me for copyright infringement, or are parodies covered? None of these questions are answered in the constitution.
    Well, one must have some common sense, don't you think?

    The constitution isn't about covering every little tiny aspect of your life. It's about how our government is structured and limited in intruding on your private life.... you obviously didn't read it or you would know these things.

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    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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    Re: Regulate us lobbyists? No problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Well, one must have some common sense, don't you think?

    The constitution isn't about covering every little tiny aspect of your life. It's about how our government is structured and limited in intruding on your private life.... you obviously didn't read it or you would know these things.

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    So what is the constitutional answers to the situations I posted?
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    Re: Regulate us lobbyists? No problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    So what is the constitutional answers to the situations I posted?
    Read the constitution and then tell me.
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    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
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    Re: Regulate us lobbyists? No problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    Read the constitution and then tell me.
    The only relevant part is "congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech". The fourteenth extends this protection further than just congress. I can't think of any other relevent passage. However, "congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech" is vague in this case because it leaves unclear such as:

    1. Is non-verbal communication such as armbands "speech"?
    2. Is advertisement considered speech?
    3. Is fraud still covered by free speech?
    4. Is libel or slander still covered under free speech?
    5. If my statement could easily lead to harm of others is it still covered?
    6. Are parodies free speech, or do they fall afoul of copyright laws?
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    Re: Regulate us lobbyists? No problem....

    Quote Originally Posted by the makeout hobo View Post
    The only relevant part is "congress shall make no law... abridging the freedom of speech". The fourteenth extends this protection further than just congress. I can't think of any other relevent passage. However, "congress shall make no law abridging freedom of speech" is vague in this case because it leaves unclear such as:

    1. Is non-verbal communication such as armbands "speech"?
    2. Is advertisement considered speech?
    3. Is fraud still covered by free speech?
    4. Is libel or slander still covered under free speech?
    5. If my statement could easily lead to harm of others is it still covered?
    6. Are parodies free speech, or do they fall afoul of copyright laws?
    Yes to all. Of course I have the right to sue your silly ass in civil court for slander and libel, and if you defraud me I can report it and have you busted....
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

    Originally Posted by PogueMoran
    I didnt have to read the article to tell you that you cant read.

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