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Thousands protest sheriff's immigration efforts

we should "talk" to their employers, yes. The employers should here, "you're fined $10,000 for each wilfully employeed illegal alien, for a total of $1,200,000. In addition, you face a re-patriation expense of $1,000 for each alien, which is $120,000. And, for employing more than ten illegals, you will serve five years in a federal pound you in the ass prison."

I'm all for talking to the employers of invades.

Sorry, didn't see this part at first.

I agree we should crackdown on employers, but probobly not for the same reason and I am not sure I would put quite as harsh a penalty. Personally, I think we should crackdown on employers who do exploit their employees though.
 
But, you see, it IS.

No, it's not.

What happens in Haiti or Kosovo or Nameyourpersonallyfavoriteglobal****hole is not our problem.

Even building a massive border fence on all borders wouldn't help.

Right.

Study the proper uses of anti-personnel land mines and read the Treaty of Hidalgo-Guadalupe.

We would have to have a massive border patrol, combined with multiple layer border fences, radar fences to keep planes out, tunnel prevention methods...

Or, we annex Mexico, replace their corrput government with something, hopefully something even more honest than ours, and leave.

Mexicans don't love the United States, but their country sucks cactus.
 
I guess I don't understand the anger. They came here by their own power, got work, and work hard for basically jack ****. So we take their job away, then we are going to send them back to where they started only because they are not recognized under our system. There is a simple word for this that many who strongly oppose illegal immigrants use, tyranny.
 
I guess I don't understand the anger. They came here by their own power, got work, and work hard for basically jack ****. So we take their job away, then we are going to send them back to where they started only because they are not recognized under our system. There is a simple word for this that many who strongly oppose illegal immigrants use, tyranny.

Why can't these people go through the proper naturalization process? I say if they can't then impliment Eisenhowers Operation Wetback and deport them. We did it back when he issued the order and we can do it now.
 
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No, it's not.

What happens in Haiti or Kosovo or Nameyourpersonallyfavoriteglobal****hole is not our problem.

Why not?

Why is it not possible for something which happens in other parts of the world to effect the USA?

And besides, events in Mexico would seem even more likely to effect us, as it shares a border with us, and Haiti and Kosovo do not.

Right.

Study the proper uses of anti-personnel land mines and read the Treaty of Hidalgo-Guadalupe.

What, we place landmines on all the borders and beaches of our country?

Even with that, someone would get through.
Not to mention the US civilian causalities which would result (I say "would", and not "could", because there is always and idiot somewhere...).

Or, we annex Mexico, replace their corrupt government with something, hopefully something even more honest than ours, and leave.

Mexicans don't love the United States, but their country sucks cactus.

This plan seems fraught with pitfalls just waiting to trap us.

Not to mention it would never get through congress, nor would the majority of the American population accept it.

I like my idea of getting them to fix their own problems better.
 
I guess I don't understand the anger. They came here by their own power, got work, and work hard for basically jack ****. So we take their job away, then we are going to send them back to where they started only because they are not recognized under our system. There is a simple word for this that many who strongly oppose illegal immigrants use, tyranny.

Yes, some people don't understand the meaning of the word "illegal".

Nor do they seem to want to understand the meaning of the phrases "burden on taxpayers", or "displacing Americans" or "distorting the economy" and not even "shipping money out of the economy".

Why they refuse to admit to understanding simple phrases made up of common English words is a mystery, but it doesn't change the fact that those people don't belong here, weren't invited, are causing the nation harm, and need to go back where they came from.
 
Why can't these people go through the proper naturalization process? I say if they can't then impliment Eisenhowers Operation Wetback and deport them. We did it back when he issued the order and we can do it now.

You mean, expect them to wait in line?

How uncivilized you are, sir! Why, if they wanted to wait in line, they'd have done so!

We just need to deport their employers after stripping them of their money.
 
Why not?

Why is it not possible for something which happens in other parts of the world to effect the USA?

Didn't say it doesn't affect the USA.

I said it's not our problem.

If Mexico is suddenly OUR problem, I say that the United States should FIX Mexico, not stand idly by while Mexico's rejects invade our nation and harm it.

That's what we have the US Marines for.

What, we place landmines on all the borders and beaches of our country?

You think a lot of Mexicans come into the US from Quebec? You think they're swimming from Mazatlan to Key West?

Even with that, someone would get through.

So? It's some bizarre fallacy of the Left that a deterrent that doesn't work 100% of the time isn't effective. Your lack of understanding basic military strategies doesn't surprise me.

Land mines serve to deter the flow of the enemy at known locations so resources can be better focused elsewhere. Land mines would help the Border Patrol and the American citizen living on the border by slowing the invasion rate to a manageable level.

We could run ads on Mexican TV showing Invaders getting their legs blown off when they enter the US illegally, for example.

Not to mention the US civilian causalities which would result (I say "would", and not "could", because there is always and idiot somewhere...).

Americans do insist on refusing to learn how to read the signs, don't they?

Not to mention it would never get through congress, nor would the majority of the American population accept it.

The "North American" population doesn't have to accept it. The Americans do.

I like my idea of getting them to fix their own problems better.

My idea will make them think staying home and dealing with their local problems is a better idea.
 
Why can't these people go through the proper naturalization process? I say if they can't then impliment Eisenhowers Operation Wetback and deport them. We did it back when he issued the order and we can do it now.

There is a certain quota, that only allows so many people into the US. Obviously the quota is too low.

I got an idea, instead spending money shipping good hard working people out of the country, lets make it easier for them to become legal taxpaying citizens. We'll probobly make money that way. They won't be a burden to the taxpayer, they will be one.
 
There is a certain quota, that only allows so many people into the US. Obviously the quota is too low.

It is?

As far as I can tell, the United States does not now and hasn't had for decades, a shortage of unskilled labor. Our institutions of public education have been turning out completely unskilled workers by the millions every years since the Left started taking over the curriculum.

The only shortage is the willingness of the employer to offer wages these people will work for, a problem compounded by the indolence of these indigenous indigents and the willingness of the government to violate the Constitution by paying them undeserved counterproductive entitlements like welfare.

Since we clearly have enough unskilled labor domestically, we have no reason to raise any quota for more, especially since the foreign workers don't speak english.

I got an idea, instead spending money shipping good hard working people out of the country, lets make it easier for them to become legal taxpaying citizens. We'll probobly make money that way. They won't be a burden to the taxpayer, they will be one.

Brilliant idea. First step, accept only applicants who file from their native country. Include in the application the statement, "Under penalty of perjury I affirm that I have broken no laws of the United States."

And make damn sure illegals already in this country go to the end of the line. We've no need for criminals in this country.
 
It is?

As far as I can tell, the United States does not now and hasn't had for decades, a shortage of unskilled labor. Our institutions of public education have been turning out completely unskilled workers by the millions every years since the Left started taking over the curriculum.

The only shortage is the willingness of the employer to offer wages these people will work for, a problem compounded by the indolence of these indigenous indigents and the willingness of the government to violate the Constitution by paying them undeserved counterproductive entitlements like welfare.

Since we clearly have enough unskilled labor domestically, we have no reason to raise any quota for more, especially since the foreign workers don't speak english.



Brilliant idea. First step, accept only applicants who file from their native country. Include in the application the statement, "Under penalty of perjury I affirm that I have broken no laws of the United States."

And make damn sure illegals already in this country go to the end of the line. We've no need for criminals in this country.

If their is a surplus of labor workers, why are illegal immigrants being hired? If it is because they are cheaper, why is that bad? You still have not shown me why the infamous illegal immigrant is causing us so much harm.

If you want them to get paid more, so they are more on par with the rest of Americans, why don't we stop employers from exploiting them like they currently are, instead of shipping productive people out of the country.

If foriegn workers don't speak english, this would hurt their chances of getting a job over an english speaking american.
 
If their is a surplus of labor workers, why are illegal immigrants being hired? If it is because they are cheaper, why is that bad? You still have not shown me why the infamous illegal immigrant is causing us so much harm.

Yes, I have shown you.

Repeatedly we Americans post what damage the Left's Open Door Giveaway Sale has done to the country. And the Left continues to pretend to not see it.

Sheesh!

Forget that.

Just explain what part of the concept "illegal" is beyond your ability to fathom.

If you want them to get paid more, so they are more on par with the rest of Americans, why don't we stop employers from exploiting them like they currently are, instead of shipping productive people out of the country.

I do not worry that they're getting paid less, since I know what the word "illegal" means.
 
Didn't say it doesn't affect the USA.

I said it's not our problem.

If Mexico is suddenly OUR problem, I say that the United States should FIX Mexico, not stand idly by while Mexico's rejects invade our nation and harm it.

That's what we have the US Marines for.

How can it affect us but not be a problem? Or are you saying it has a positive affect?

Regardless, I think helping Mexico fix itself is the better route.

You think a lot of Mexicans come into the US from Quebec? You think they're swimming from Mazatlan to Key West?

No, but I’m sure some do. A border fence would probably reduce the overall volume, I agree. But if we remove their reasons for coming here, we wouldn't need one. Except to keep potential terrorists out... But then we would need to fence the Canadian border too...

So? It's some bizarre fallacy of the Left that a deterrent that doesn't work 100% of the time isn't effective. Your lack of understanding basic military strategies doesn't surprise me.

Land mines serve to deter the flow of the enemy at known locations so resources can be better focused elsewhere. Land mines would help the Border Patrol and the American citizen living on the border by slowing the invasion rate to a manageable level.

We could run ads on Mexican TV showing Invaders getting their legs blown off when they enter the US illegally, for example.

Seems a bit brutal, and thus most likely to be blocked by a majority of the US population.

Not saying it wouldn't WORK.

But there are methods of blocking which would be much less politically provocative. And more likely to be acceptable.

Americans do insist on refusing to learn how to read the signs, don't they?

Or not noticing them at all.

The "North American" population doesn't have to accept it. The Americans do.
Isn't it that what I said?

My idea will make them think staying home and dealing with their local problems is a better idea.

But there are less politically unacceptable methods available.

Plus, we can get all the various political lobbyists for illegal immigrants to motivate their supporters into helping reshape Mexico. Or if they won't, IMO it would prove they don't really support the artificial ethnic group they created.
 
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I got an idea, instead spending money shipping good hard working people out of the country, lets make it easier for them to become legal taxpaying citizens. We'll probobly make money that way. They won't be a burden to the taxpayer, they will be one.

Brilliant idea. First step, accept only applicants who file from their native country. Include in the application the statement, "Under penalty of perjury I affirm that I have broken no laws of the United States."

And make damn sure illegals already in this country go to the end of the line. We've no need for criminals in this country.

I wanted to point out that you incorrectly quoted me here.

But I agree with most of what was said.
 
Of course I am.

I'm pissed off that people their heads up their asses who can't see where they're going are driving the nation over a cliff because their emotions are telling them where to go.

One critical situation this Autocolonoscopics have created in their little socialist introspective fantasyland is the presence of an alien workforce distorting the markets out of recognition and displacing Americans who are then forced to accepts sub-standard wages because their own elected representatives, their own courts, and their own neighbors are determined to sell them down the river while mouthing moronic platitudes about equality and fairness and need, and calling THEM racist.

If you're not mad as hell about this, you're not an American.

They arent moronic platitudes maybe you should be willing to admit that illegals actually do something for this country. Its not a simple cut situation though it seems so to you.

little socialist introspective fantasyland

Socialists-are-coming syndrome? Please spare me.
 
Yes, capitalism is.

However, we're discussing the presence of illegally invading hordes in the United States, not capitalism.

And these illegal hordes have come as a result of a lack of competition(you know, what capitalism is based on). The fact that you demand outrageous wages and high regulation for mediocre anybody-can-do-it labor is what has created a black market for these people. Do you disagree?
 
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And these illegal hordes have come as a result of a lack of competition(you know, what capitalism is based on).

I was under the assumption that one of the things with capitalism is that short supply of that good or service plus a great demand for that goods or service equals more money being paid for those goods or service.Why is it that people think that the same thing should not apply to labor? Apparently employers have a hard time finding labor then apparently that job no longer demands substandard wages.


The fact that you demand outrageous wages and high regulation for mediocre anybody-can-do-it labor is what has created a black market for these people. Do you disagree?

So since there is a black market for other things due to high cost or high regulations then anyone should buy bootleg products, black market cigs, black market firearms,illegally download music movies and games and so on because the cost and or regulations are too high?
 
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jamesrage;1058496843]I was under the assumption that one of the things with capitalism is that short supply of that good or service plus a great demand for that goods or service equals more money being paid for those goods or service.Why is it that people think that the same thing should not apply to labor? Apparently employers have a hard time finding labor then apparently that job no longer demands substandard wages.




So since there is a black market for other things due to high cost or high regulations then anyone should buy bootleg products, black market cigs, black market firearms,illegally download music movies and games and so on because the cost and or regulations are too high?
Good point.......:)
What I fail to understand is how some individuals think that it is the U.S. duty to make Mexico a better place to live so they won't come here illegally.......:roll:
How about they take responsibility for themselves & make their country into a place where even the working poor want to stay.....
Right now Mexico's top export is the common criminal.....
Try ILLEGAL entry into any other country on the globe & see what happens, especially Mexico.....
 
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My, my, my. It's my own observation that there are insightful arguments both for and against immigration restrictions, but as long as vulgar nationalism is all we look to...There is nothing but sheer irony at the thought of this two-bit statist named Arpaio attempting to impose his authoritarian policies on those of predominantly Amerindian lineage. This interloper is attempting to continue the true invasion, that of his descendants from Europe, and their sheer audacity in asserting that they somehow have the right to declare others "illegal immigrants" when they are trespassing on the lands of those that they fraudulently declare illegal.

Long before Joe's family ever came to America on their sardine boat from Naples, Amerindians were here. And their cultural organization was not dictated by arbitrary European-imposed national divisions.

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The invaders afflicted so many of the Indians in Mexico and Central and South America with spic names, just as blacks imported to the U.S. were given Anglo names, but this cannot hide their true origins. But this belief of illegality...there is nothing compared to the sheer irony of anyone of European descent telling an Apache of the U.S. Southwest who has a Spanish name because of their invasion that he should "go back to Mexico." They perceive that we are "Mexican" for having dark skin and Spanish names and dare to presume that we are foreigners when our descendants walked this territory millennia before the arrival of theirs. :rofl
 
My, my, my. It's my own observation that there are insightful arguments both for and against immigration restrictions, but as long as vulgar nationalism is all we look to...There is nothing but sheer irony at the thought of this two-bit statist named Arpaio attempting to impose his authoritarian policies on those of predominantly Amerindian lineage. This interloper is attempting to continue the true invasion, that of his descendants from Europe, and their sheer audacity in asserting that they somehow have the right to declare others "illegal immigrants" when they are trespassing on the lands of those that they fraudulently declare illegal.

Long before Joe's family ever came to America on their sardine boat from Naples, Amerindians were here. And their cultural organization was not dictated by arbitrary European-imposed national divisions.

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The invaders afflicted so many of the Indians in Mexico and Central and South America with spic names, just as blacks imported to the U.S. were given Anglo names, but this cannot hide their true origins. But this belief of illegality...there is nothing compared to the sheer irony of anyone of European descent telling an Apache of the U.S. Southwest who has a Spanish name because of their invasion that he should "go back to Mexico." They perceive that we are "Mexican" for having dark skin and Spanish names and dare to presume that we are foreigners when our descendants walked this territory millennia before the arrival of theirs. :rofl

I have pointed this out to you on another thread, but here goes:
Subjugation is the price you pay for being conquered......;)
You were 'owned' as soon as Columbus landed.....:roll:
 
I have pointed this out to you on another thread, but here goes:
Subjugation is the price you pay for being conquered......;)
You were 'owned' as soon as Columbus landed.....:roll:

They may be conquered, but that does not change the fact that they are here.
 
They may be conquered, but that does not change the fact that they are here.

Of couse....
No one is disputing their right to exist....
They are disputing WHERE they have a right to legally exist....;)
There is a line drawn in the sand from California-Texas, if you live on this side, you are a U.S. citizen....
If not, you are a Mexican citizen.....
It's really very simple.....;)
 
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